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as drule said this is not quality control

Why are you so useless, Dom?  Why do you complain so much without stepping a foot to do anything about it?  You never mentioned anything about my writing before this topic. 

i never read anything you wrote before this topic.

If you're so adverse to me, then say it to my face.  Use examples from my writing.  Cite sources.  Obviously you contain a wealth of knowledge that I don't possess, so educate me, Dom.  Do something instead of bitch about it.

http://gamingw.net/item.php?id=77464

this is a travesty. this is not an article. this is a slideshow. you lack the ability to write sentences longer than 5 words. your writing reads like that of a 12 year old. you are a bad writer. i've read livejournal posts better than this.

for fucks sake, you ended it with "I for one hail our new old overlords." THAT IS NOT GOOD WRITING.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO READ ON GAMINGW

interesting articles. well written articles. i will read almost anything that fits this criteria. i will not read things that do not fit. my arguments about the quality of writing are not about what i WANT to read, but what i DONT. you might enjoy reading absolute tripe but guess what.. noone else does. and id wager that the only reason you seem to enjoy it is because its from gaming world and you feel obliged.

Prove to me you aren't a worthless fucking poster and exist specifically to suck up space and troll people.

prove to me you're anything but white noise

Why are you so fucking useless, as a critic, member, and poster Dom?


Can you answer this question, Dom?  Can you justify whey you're even here?

My god, everyone just ignore Dom.  It's clear he doesn't care and wants nothing more to incite argument without backing himself up.  You complain that we are doing things wrong and the staff is useless yet you, as a member, who has the largest input to how the site works because we CATER to you, don't even offer to supply that input.  Even fucking Steel gives a reason on why he calls you out.

Dom, you are the worst kind of person.  A leach.  A parasite.  How can you even refute this?

laugh

another thing you're wrong about, we don't ban people for disagreeing.

i did not mean to imply this. what i meant was i know pretty much for a fact that headphonics would just love to ban me because of how much i disagree with.

i'd really like to hear about the spineless YES MEN

everyone who is clamoring to claim that this is the triumphant return of gw. anyone who says the articles are anything but terrible.

maybe you should just go back to rpg2knet with your splash page and invisionfree board with 10 members?? i'm sure you're less dead of a site than gw.

ya we are currently more dead than gw. but guess what... the new rpg2knet site is actually having effort put into it before release and isnt just a blog pretending to be a real site

I don't think we are talking about the same thing and I really don't feel like explaining some idea I was trying to push two years ago.

This is exactly what I'm talking about you quoted me on it.  

1. You laughed at me for suggesting that a user rating system could change anything.

2. I said you wouldn't know because no one seriously rates anything

3. You withdraw your statement because you  have no ground to stand on.

Why did you even post your comment, Drule, if you're not willing to back it up?  THIS IS THE SHIT I'M TALKING ABOUT.  Everyone on GW has grand ideas on how to improve everything but when it comes to deliver they get cold feet.

This right here, is 100%, what I'm talking about.  

It's a simple statement.  If you contribute nothing, you're worthless.  

Do us a favor and link to your old statement if it still exists.  If it doesn't repost it or paraphrase it.  Obviously it's important to you but you don't care enough to mention it.

interesting articles. well written articles. i will read almost anything that fits this criteria. i will not read things that do not fit. my arguments about the quality of writing are not about what i WANT to read, but what i DONT. you might enjoy reading absolute tripe but guess what.. noone else does. and id wager that the only reason you seem to enjoy it is because its from gaming world and you feel obliged.

This doesn't answer anything.  Would you read an article on poop if it was written by your favorite writer?

What do you want to read?  A specific topic.  Games?  Entertainment?  Why do you skate around this question?

this is a travesty. this is not an article. this is a slideshow. you lack the ability to write sentences longer than 5 words. your writing reads like that of a 12 year old. you are a bad writer. i've read livejournal posts better than this.

Was this difficult?  It took you 30 seconds to write this?  Why can't more people do this?

as drule said this is not quality control

But you can't fix something unless you point out it's broke.  This isn't difficult.

everyone who is clamoring to claim that this is the triumphant return of gw. anyone who says the articles are anything but terrible.

this is false again. this is not the definition of a YES MAN. you also seem to be confusing enthusiasm with GW IS GODS GIFT TO MANKIND. people are happy to see that the site is actually moving as opposed to nothing at all. the article quality is something we are aware about, and i address this later. the simple answer is you need to start somewhere. this is where we have to start. you also fail to realise that GW is very much an isolated community at the moment. the articles reflect that, by being more relevant to GW members than anyone else. we're working on changing this but it takes time.

ya we are currently more dead than gw. but guess what... the new rpg2knet site is actually having effort put into it before release and isnt just a blog pretending to be a real site

you clearly don't understand the point made about the SPLASH PAGE. when GW lost it's steam the main page was left as is for a year. after that it was replaced with FOGET saying "coming soon!!!" for 3 years. then came the community blog which was hasitly put it to prove to members STUFF IS HAPPENING (it wasn't at the time). you seem to be hung up on how a site should be presented. you're of the GW6 mindset of where you spend 5 years making a site (that won't come out) then supposedly releasing the greatest thing since sliced bread. the new GW site was released to show the base functionality of the site. this was:

- tag system removed and replaced with actual categories. because of this you can actually browse categories and see the relevant content instead of a huge list of topics and having to LOOK AT TAGS to figure out what it's about.

- individual game reviews / categorization. this didn't exist in the old version and wasn't even practical because of how the tag system worked.

- rating system. this is more or less a bonus feature but it gives us some kind of idea of what people think.

- search. you can say what you want about THREE LINES OF CODE but considering the forum search uses GOOGLE and the old blog used tags (which were not even consistent) this was a huge step up. search is a standard feature and isn't anything to brag about it but actually having it is GOOD in comparison to before.

- article submission.

- dedicated hosting to prevent broken images / links. all of the articles and games are hosted on our site as opposed to random PHOTOBUCKET bullshit. this isn't really a feature worth bragging about either but really shows you how absurdly bad the previous incarnation of GW was.

would you feel better if on the gaming world icon we put BETA in the corner? because it's been explained many times that the site was launched to show the base functionality of the site. you also do not seem to understand the DRIVE of the site is content. this has always been our problem and we've recognized this before we even started the site. every suggestion you gave is completely useless and has no application on the site whatsoever. the only thing you brought up of actual substance is quality control. given the comments you've been making there isn't a single article on the site that is worthwhile. so tell me how you start a site up with no content? where do we find these magical professional quality writers who will do work for free? the plan has been to slowly build this site up and expand from there, kind of like the great majority of successful sites on the planet did.

let's cut the bullshit and get to what your issues are:

- you don't like how we are building the site up instead of a big release.

- you think the articles suck and we need quality control.

beyond this what do you have a problem with? because the first point is pointless to debate, it's two separate methods to release a site. your second point is a debate of something versus nothing. as i explained earlier, these articles are more community geared and can get away with not being as professional because they are relevant here. we plan to gradually improve the site content as the site goes on, but right now this is not even an option. the reason why everyone is calling you an idiot is because you are not actually accomplishing anything beyond making yourself out to be a giant douche bag. what is the point of anything you are saying? nearly everything you have said so far is blatantly false or pointless to even mention. you turned a topic about getting staff (what we need) into a topic about deleting GW because right now it's not a GREAT SITE (what we know and what can only be fixed with staff and time).

Let's face it, the mainsite doesn't have enough lolcats and family guy gifs for dom.

Rome wasn't built in a day dom. All the time you spent bitching could have been spent writing an article for GW and actually contribute something.
And Velfarre, I support your flea market photo-journalism article.

tigsource.com is nothing but a blog with a games database (basically what the current GW site offers) and they manage to be one of the biggest and most successful indie game sites out there despite having such a fairly simple site. so basically this "fancy GW6 with more features" that you keep harping about isn't even necessary to have a successful site.

This is what GW should be but with some more general articles that may be more community oriented. With time the staff are gonna be better, we will have better written articles and the database will grow.

No I laughed because you were going nuts over this discussion. I didn't say anything about user ratings either. What I did say was that I was trying to push for GW6 to become more professional back in 2007, and agreed with dom about the general article quality.

For every good article written there are like 20 bad ones. User rating won't really change that.

Something doesn't add up here!

Man this is the worst thing I have ever seen. Dom. Its not like the site popped up from nowhere, GZ and other dudes spent their free time, sleep time and then some for six weeks to give something to this community. You don't need to like it but you need to show some fucking respect. I'd bet they were expecting critisism, but they sure as hell didn't put those hours in for you and other people to throw all this shit in their face. This is hard fucking work they put in, and you're being a disrespectful little shit.

interesting articles. well written articles. i will read almost anything that fits this criteria. i will not read things that do not fit. my arguments about the quality of writing are not about what i WANT to read, but what i DONT. you might enjoy reading absolute tripe but guess what.. noone else does. and id wager that the only reason you seem to enjoy it is because its from gaming world and you feel obliged.

I think you have the wrong idea about how this community works right now, Dom.  All of the staffers who contribute articles to the mainpage are part of the community.  Anything you see on the mainpage is more or less a reflection of the current state of the forums.  We have a select few individuals who are willing to take time out of their lives to contribute to this project and a lot more who would rather spend six hours debating president Obama's blackness in exact degrees than put together some decent content for the site.  This is far from an ideal situation as far as content generation goes, but we're doing the best we can with what we have.  You're welcome to criticize, but make sure you're looking at things for what they are before blatantly disrespecting the people who are at least DOING SOMETHING. 

If you're seriously this perturbed about the quality of articles on the mainpage and want to do something about it then you're going about things in all the wrong ways.  If every article ever posted since launch has been utter trite to you then I suggest you set up some sort of COMPREHENSIVE RUBRIC FOR CONTENT GENERATION and enlighten the fuck out of all of us.  Otherwise the greater majority of the effort you've been putting into your posts lately is a waste of time for both you and people like me who, for some unforeseen reason, take the time out of their day to consider it.

i did not mean to imply this. what i meant was i know pretty much for a fact that headphonics would just love to ban me because of how much i disagree with

I'd like to see why you think this.  Panda and I had a short discussion just last night about your posts in this topic and it basically amounted to WELL I DUNNO I GUESS HE'S FUCKING CRAZY.  Nothing I've seen indicates that he or anyone else has a hard-on for banning you.

everyone who is clamoring to claim that this is the triumphant return of gw. anyone who says the articles are anything but terrible.

Having faith in the idea that we can build GW up from this point and turn it into an active community with constructive content doesn't mean that we're all just tools riding on the coattails of the administration.  Everyone's collectively trying to do their small part to make this thing the best it can be, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Furthermore, there has been some pretty serious discussion lately about where to go from here and how to improve upon basically every aspect of the mainpage.  The only thing you are refusing to realize here is that these things have to be taken a step at a time with serious consultation among the very few people here who are willing to dedicate themselves to making it happen.  What you see on the mainpage right now is the first step in what will eventually become a fully realized project.  It's just going to take a lot of work and some serious networking, which is a PROCESS. 

I give you all thumbs down.

I think you have the wrong idea about how this community works right now, Dom.  All of the staffers who contribute articles to the mainpage are part of the community.  Anything you see on the mainpage is more or less a reflection of the current state of the forums.  We have a select few individuals who are willing to take time out of their lives to contribute to this project and a lot more who would rather spend six hours debating president Obama's blackness in exact degrees than put together some decent content for the site.  This is far from an ideal situation as far as content generation goes, but we're doing the best we can with what we have.  You're welcome to criticize, but make sure you're looking at things for what they are before blatantly disrespecting the people who are at least DOING SOMETHING. 

do you go to a restaurant and tip the chef when he serves you shit on a plate? "doing the best we can" is not an excuse.

do you go to a restaurant and tip the chef when he serves you shit on a plate? "doing the best we can" is not an excuse.

Do you shit on the chef while he's in the process of cooking your meal because it's not good enough despite being not finished yet?

hey why are we even continuing to respond to this?

it's literally one man howling at the wind.

watch what happens when you ignore someone.  just watch.

Yeah, I know, I just like countering analogies with similar but opposite analogies.  Besides that, I'm done.

"doing the best we can" is not an excuse.

Actually it is when you're doing it for free  if it's not enough for Dom then just leave.

and you're still a disrespectful little shit. [/troll fodder]

We need to be careful not to take ourselves too seriously... otherwise we end up like *shudder* rmxp.org.