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Do what you love, who cares about making money. That was my philosophy, of course I want to survive but I'm not going to sacrifice enjoying myself to be wealthy. I'm gunna do something with media, either be a journalist or a PR.
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you say that now but its hard as shit to get anywhere in life without it, especially if what you want to do later on requires a shitload of money to begin with.

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working in national forests having to stay in those raised house/outposts staring at trees for months at a time completely secluded from the rest of the world.

that actually sounds pretty cool not having to deal with stupid ass people all the time. I guess it would get pretty boring, but my job consists of STARING AT WATER so...

Ohh I got a job I just can't find any work and I'd hate to blame it on the recession but yeah, shit looks pretty weak right now.
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There's a lot of projected growth for environmental jobs, so it's a pretty attractive career direction. The problem is that if you want a good/fun job you need to go to grad school to study policy or environmental engineering. Otherwise you're stuck with shit like low level positions in your state's department of ecology or working in national forests having to stay in those raised house/outposts staring at trees for months at a time completely secluded from the rest of the world.
what do you even do with the kinds of jobs you're going after?  i don't know anything about environmental science!

also idk i am IN SCHOOL but i have virtually no idea what i want to do.  i do not want to go beyond grad school because i am already old so i'm looking at fields that could be ideal/lucrative with only a masters, but i care a lot about money.  i dealt with FAMILY LACKING MONEY as a kid a lot and people who say heh money.....cant buy happiness annoy the shit out of me because this is true but a lack of money can go a long way to prevent people from being happy.  it is not THE BEST THING you know but having money just means there's a ton of stupid shit you do not have to worry about and let get in the way of your life.  not having enough money is such a huge stress on marriages and families and this is something i do not really want to deal with again!

but yeah money's a big thing.  my major is already poli sci so despite not having any interest in law whatsoever i might pursue this as a career to make ducats.  also i feel like i have an obligation to take care of my parents when they get older and this requires money as well.  if i can find another relatively lucrative career path that is more interesting to me than the kinds of law you'd need to practice to make money, i would be open to this tho.  this is what i am pulling for, actually.  my brother just finished his graduate degree in globalization and development or something and he went to school with a ton of people with degrees like this who come from wealthy families and seem set on the path to make money so i know there are jobs out there that relate to my interests and make money, i am just not sure what they are exactly.  i should probably start doing research on this.

and yeah man dont do game design.  i bet anything other than indie game design actually really blows.
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what do you even do with the kinds of jobs you're going after?  i don't know anything about environmental science!
Well I got into contact with a nonprofit in Amsterdam that had a position open that involved a lot of travel between there and London for policy/technical consulting on sustainable and agricultural practices. That would pretty much be a dream job for me, however they needed someone with more experience and some background in environmental policy. I've just been in a pretty boring analytical chemist job since school so I've gotta do something like join the peace corps and get a masters degree before I can start getting jobs like that.
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is the peace corps any good?

like what do you do? is it para-military stuff or what? I was actually thinking about doing it for awhile and going to college through it if I couldn't find any work.
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Ok, so I've taken one of those career tests on the internet and this is what it said:

"You would be very happy in a career that utilised your level-headedness, and allowed you to work mainly on your own. You want a career that allows you to stimulate your senses and your mind, without having to be involved with lots of people. Some careers that would be perfect for you are:

    * Novelist
    * Photographer
    * Vet
    * Medical Technician
    * Paralegal
    * Geologist
    * Marine Biologist
    * Graphic Designer
    * Online Content Developer
    * Webmaster
    * Computer Security
    * Producer
    * Computer Programmer
    * Technical Writer
    * Systems Analyst
    * Meteorologist
    * Artist

You like working and being alone. You like to avoid attention at all costs. You tend to keep to yourself, and not interact much with the people around you. You enjoy spending time with a few a close friends. You like to listen to others, but don't like sharing much about yourself. You are very quiet and private.

You are very practical, and only act after thinking things through. You don't like being forced to answer quickly. You have to evaluate the situation completely. You make decisions based on what you can verify with your senses.

You like to be involved deeply in one or two special projects. You like to be behind the scenes. You are very logical and fair. You feel you should be honest with others at all costs.

You trust what is certain. You only like new ideas if they can be practically applied to the situation. You value what is real. You use your common sense. You like to utilise the skills you have instead of learning new ones. You are very specific and detailed when writing or talking to others. You follow directions well. You like things to be laid out for you to do instead of working them out for yourself. You like decisions to be made. You don't like things to be left in limbo. You like to know what you are getting into before you commit to something.

You like to focus on the here and now. You enjoy completing projects. It is important for you to achieve and succeed. Therefore, you believe in working hard and playing later. You like to set goals and work towards them."


To be honest I don't know what on earth to do.... there isn't much, when I little I did wanna become one of those people who make new gadgets and stuff and I still have that little bit in me which still wants to do that, I've always wanted to make a new device or something a games console, next iPhone and such because if I make it and it works then that is what makes me happy really. I'm not sure how to get there at the moment though I'm gonna go research some more.
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it's intriguing how many ppl here defy game design courses. especially here on this forum, that pretends to focus on indie game design. seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? it's like saying you love cheese but you hate the people that make it. everyone's all like "hah omg game design no jobs no future" but i don't see any backup for your mindless arguments

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i wanna be the president of the USA

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it's intriguing how many ppl here defy game design courses. especially here on this forum, that pretends to focus on indie game design. seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? it's like saying you love cheese but you hate the people that make it. everyone's all like "hah omg game design no jobs no future" but i don't see any backup for your mindless arguments

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No it's because of how quickly the industry changes and how game design is a tiny subset of computer science. basically all game companies would employ a computer science graduate over a game design graduate. If you want a job in game design your best bet is not to do game design

What the fuck is wrong with you more like, bai.
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Ok, so I've taken one of those career tests on the internet and this is what it said:

These tests are pretty bullshit, because there's a pretty good chance the job you already think you want will be on the list.  Computer programmer and veterinarian and geologist and paralegal are all the same thing!!!!
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I think it would be good if someone who is studying Computer Science or has done Computer Science to post I think that would be really helpful, also someone who has done a Computer Games Design course and Electronics course to post their thoughts. I would ask people I know but I don't know anyone doing these subjects or has done them.
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I think it would be good if someone who is studying Computer Science or has done Computer Science to post I think that would be really helpful, also someone who has done a Computer Games Design course and Electronics course to post their thoughts. I would ask people I know but I don't know anyone doing these subjects or has done them.

i've done it, and that's why it's so bloody obvious to me why most ppl here don't have the foggiest idea what they're talking about. you think you only learn how to design levels when you pick gamedesign? you get photoshop, GML, C+, flash actionscript, 3dsmax, drawing, and what not. even if you do gamedesign and even if it turns out you can't find a job in that business, at the end of the road you'll have enough knowledge to get a job in some other business. the only way you can really find out though is to just do it and see if it fits you. you can't honestly talk seriously about a gamedesign course until you've done it.
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The biggest thing I can tell you about doing computer science is that you will have to work with nitty-gritty stuff.  I see a lot of people talk about how they use game making programs because "learning a programming language is too hard".  This is what you will be doing in a CS program, you will be programming.  It will be hard sometimes, but not as terrible as you think, because you'll be starting with really simple stuff.  I guess the best advice for someone considering it is that you can't go in expecting magic to happen.  All the people who went into the CS program wanting those jobs at Blizzard kept complaining that "this is so boring, I want to make games not these dumb programs". 

You have to understand that if you can't make a program that reads in a text file, sorts the words by frequency, and saves that to another file, you aren't going to be making any games EVER.  So, if you want to do CS for whatever reason, just understand that it's a lot of work and you aren't going to get these magical results.  If you really want to do game design, you will have to be able to do these things.  If you can't do the work in the CS program, you won't be making games.  It's as simple as that.  Plus, most game making companies won't even consider you unless you have been in the field for many years.  Getting a straight-up CS job for a few years is a good way to get that experience.

But don't let that discourage you!  It can be pretty awesome when you get programs working the way you want, and your independent game design projects, even if you're using a game maker, will probably go a lot smoother when you understand the groundwork behind them.
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The biggest thing I can tell you about doing computer science is that you will have to work with nitty-gritty stuff.  I see a lot of people talk about how they use game making programs because "learning a programming language is too hard".  This is what you will be doing in a CS program, you will be programming.  It will be hard sometimes, but not as terrible as you think, because you'll be starting with really simple stuff.  I guess the best advice for someone considering it is that you can't go in expecting magic to happen.  All the people who went into the CS program wanting those jobs at Blizzard kept complaining that "this is so boring, I want to make games not these dumb programs". 

You have to understand that if you can't make a program that reads in a text file, sorts the words by frequency, and saves that to another file, you aren't going to be making any games EVER.  So, if you want to do CS for whatever reason, just understand that it's a lot of work and you aren't going to get these magical results.  If you really want to do game design, you will have to be able to do these things.  If you can't do the work in the CS program, you won't be making games.  It's as simple as that.  Plus, most game making companies won't even consider you unless you have been in the field for many years.  Getting a straight-up CS job for a few years is a good way to get that experience.

But don't let that discourage you!  It can be pretty awesome when you get programs working the way you want, and your independent game design projects, even if you're using a game maker, will probably go a lot smoother when you understand the groundwork behind them.
Hmm, so what kind of programming language do you use and what kind of mathematics is involved?
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But don't let that discourage you!  It can be pretty awesome when you get programs working the way you want, and your independent game design projects, even if you're using a game maker, will probably go a lot smoother when you understand the groundwork behind them.

When you finally get that eureka moment and your project works it is very rewarding. In 1st year I made a program to do nodal analysis in the frequency domain and it was such a relief when the right results popped up in the console. You do get some proper bastard programming projects to do but they can all be solved if you give yourself time and work on it. I still know a few people who are like "EWW programming I suck at programming" but it's kinda a social stigma that people believe it is hard. It's all practice and the more you practice the better you get at it.
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When you finally get that eureka moment and your project works it is very rewarding.
YES that is exactly what I like about game designing, when you find out what you programmed does what you programmed it to do it does make me happy inside.
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When you finally get that eureka moment and your project works it is very rewarding. In 1st year I made a program to do nodal analysis in the frequency domain and it was such a relief when the right results popped up in the console. You do get some proper bastard programming projects to do but they can all be solved if you give yourself time and work on it. I still know a few people who are like "EWW programming I suck at programming" but it's kinda a social stigma that people believe it is hard. It's all practice and the more you practice the better you get at it.

Exactly, this is so great.  Like I said, a program that sorts words by frequency and saves/loads files sounds boring to use, but when yours works it's really a great moment.  Also, if you do any breadboard projects, those are the most fun, since it's literally getting to see lights come on (I have no idea why this is so exciting but it is).

Hmm, so what kind of programming language do you use and what kind of mathematics is involved?

Most CS programs do C++.  There are some schools that do all Java, which is something you should look out for.  I'm sure some schools have legitimate reasons for this, but a lot of schools do it to make their CS programs easier to get more people involved, and students have trouble later down the road.  But yeah, C++ is the typical language.  Don't sweat it though, I taught middle schoolers C++ over the summer, you will hit hard parts but overall it's not as hard as you'd think.  As for mathematics, I guess I've mostly just seen algebra.  A lot of times C++ will be using mathematical principals, but you don't always SEE it as math.  Like I said, middle schoolers can program.  However, I'm only two years into my CS degree, and I know there are certain applications in CS that use more advanced math.  Just don't sweat it because of the math, you'll get the math you need, most CS programs don't require as much math as they used to.  Math is very IMPORTANT in CS, but you shouldn't sweat the classes.
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Man if you really want to go into Game Design good luck, but realistically speaking there are probably a ton of people your age wanting to go into the same thing -- they most likely can't all get employed. Like Mateui said, you'll need to be quite exceptional.

I'm kinda lucky my field of work has a massive void of workers and is currently desperately required (the average age of people doing the same job as me is like 58 or something, so they're all retiring shortly and me being 19 I have quite a nice advantage in years to come).

imo do you what you really want to do and enjoy, but if you can find something you'd like doing and is more sought after you're probably better off.