Topic: North Korea Fires Missile, Claims peace but considered act of provocation. (Read 3515 times)

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communications etc. in the case of launching a satellite. They are also testing missile technology because they can make a lot of money selling long range missiles.
there's plenty of good economic and military reasons for the DPRK(or any country) to invest in a space program.
I figured that other countries would share their satellite usage with N.Korea for communications; they'd rather do that than let N.Korea launch shit. For instance, amateur radio satellites are used internationally as they orbit the earth -- so basically, communications satellites can be shared to some extent. But yeah, missile technology does make sense, because it seems to be the only thing the N.Korean government is putting money in. I didn't know it was salable though. That kinda scares me. Who's North Korea's market?

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I figured that other countries would share their satellite usage with N.Korea for communications; they'd rather do that than let N.Korea launch shit. For instance, amateur radio satellites are used internationally as they orbit the earth -- so basically, communications satellites can be shared to some extent. But yeah, missile technology does make sense, because it seems to be the only thing the N.Korean government is putting money in. I didn't know it was salable though. That kinda scares me. Who's North Korea's market?

I think I just shit my pants.
there are plenty of benefits to having your own national satellite, especially an isolated and secretive government like the DPRK. :welp: is it really that much of a mystery why a country like the DPRK would prefer not to rely on other country's satellites?

You don't really have anything to be scared of as far as missiles go. What would be the point? Nobody anywhere is going to launch a missile anywhere near you.
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Yeh, makes sense. Fucked up world.
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this is so dumb. if anyone thinks north korea is doing anything other than attention whoring they're stupid as fuck. no one would fire a single nuclear missile because their entire country would literally be obliterated in about 5 seconds by a retaliatory attack
Geez. Didn't you play Metal Gear Solid? This is what they meant when they said nuclear deterrence would no longer cut it when irresponsible nations become able to use the technology.

Seriously though, I don't think they have a viable nuclear program. The Manhattan Project cost about $24 billion in 2008 dollars. Even if they somehow managed to buy a bomb from a country that already has them (China or Russia) I sincerely doubt they'd be able to actually put them to use. There's too much knowledge required and they don't exactly come with an instructions manual.

Like you say, it's a card that will allow them more weight on the international stage.
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North Korea has successfully tested a nuclear bomb in '06 so there's no question that they have it. The problem for them is that it's unlikely they could have miniaturized one to fit in a missile/rocket warhead
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North Korea has successfully tested a nuclear bomb in '06 so there's no question that they have it. The problem for them is that it's unlikely they could have miniaturized one to fit in a missile/rocket warhead

I heard that the detonation failed, and it couldn't be classified as a nuclear bomb. Anyway, wtf is Kim Jong thinking? They have a terrible military, and would probably get decimated if a country invaded. They are like that annoying kid who acts all tough and makes fun of people, but if someone ever retaliated, would get the shit beaten out of him. Let's just hope he is taken out of power before nukes start getting into play here.
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Geez. Didn't you play Metal Gear Solid? This is what they meant when they said nuclear deterrence would no longer cut it when irresponsible nations become able to use the technology.

Seriously though, I don't think they have a viable nuclear program. The Manhattan Project cost about $24 billion in 2008 dollars. Even if they somehow manage to buy a bomb from a country that already has them (China or Russia) I sincerely doubt they'd be able to actually put them to use. There's too much knowledge required and they don't exactly come with an instructions manual.

Like you say, it's a card that will allow them more weight on the international stage.

Yea, but the Manhattan Project was inventing PLUS creation of a nuclear bomb.... I think it would be much cheaper to build one off of some blueprints. Heck you can get the blueprints to create a nuke off of google lol.
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I heard that the detonation failed, and it couldn't be classified as a nuclear bomb. Anyway, wtf is Kim Jong thinking? They have a terrible military, and would probably get decimated if a country invaded. They are like that annoying kid who acts all tough and makes fun of people, but if someone ever retaliated, would get the shit beaten out of him. Let's just hope he is taken out of power before nukes start getting into play here.

jesus christ would you listen? even if kim jong il did decide to fire off a nuke

A) wouldnt be able to reach much farther than japan or mainland china
B) the korean peninsula would literally be wiped off the map by a US, Chinese, or Russian retaliatory attack

believe it or not, even CRAZY, MANIAC, POWER HUNGRY dictators and whatnot are at least logical enough to not fire off a single (or hell, even several) nuclear missile(s). the reason the soviet union was the only real nuclear threat at the time was because they had enough to actually win a nuclear exchange, and even that may be debatable.
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jesus christ would you listen? even if kim jong il did decide to fire off a nuke

A) wouldnt be able to reach much farther than japan or mainland china
B) the korean peninsula would literally be wiped off the map by a US, Chinese, or Russian retaliatory attack

believe it or not, even CRAZY, MANIAC, POWER HUNGRY dictators and whatnot are at least logical enough to not fire off a single (or hell, even several) nuclear missile(s). the reason the soviet union was the only real nuclear threat at the time was because they had enough to actually win a nuclear exchange, and even that may be debatable.

I understand that, but it also causes a problem. What if they hypothetically attacked a country (IE: South Korea) using normal means (Infantry, Navy, Air). Would a country risk attacking N.K. in retaliation with the risk of getting Nuked?
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considering there's like 50,000 US troops in South Korea i don't (hypothetically) think that would happen, either.
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I heard that the detonation failed, and it couldn't be classified as a nuclear bomb. Anyway, wtf is Kim Jong thinking? They have a terrible military, and would probably get decimated if a country invaded. They are like that annoying kid who acts all tough and makes fun of people, but if someone ever retaliated, would get the shit beaten out of him. Let's just hope he is taken out of power before nukes start getting into play here.
The north korean military is one of the largest in the world and seismic data along with traces of radioactive gasses measured in the region indicated that a small scale underground nuclear explosion was successful.

The DPRK has an official policy of self reliance and preservation. If you look at everything the country has done from that perspective, it makes a lot more sense than the juvenile caricature you seem to have in your head. North korea isn't led by a bunch of crazy idiots.
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No they probably won't fire a nuclear weapon, but I guarantee you that they'll be political pissants in the next decade or so. They'll want to be recognized as a world power. Not that I'm touting US hegemony, but their political interests might be a threat to us. I wouldn't be surprised if they made good with China and Russia, and joined BRIC. The world is definitely taking a multipolar turn, to the United States' and the Big 7(?)'s loss.
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How would north koreas political interests be a threat to us?

They haven't made any direct threats and the only way you could see them as a threat would be from a position of supporting US hegemony.
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hey guys i took a class on this and guess what the main fear isn't actually kim jong il firing off nuclear missiles. it's the possibility that they'll use nuclear-equipped tactical artillery on major population centers (think bunker busters except from a cannon), which takes a lot less technical skill and they may be crazy enough to do since it's far less destructive than actual nuclear missiles.

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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How would north koreas political interests be a threat to us?

They haven't made any direct threats and the only way you could see them as a threat would be from a position of supporting US hegemony.
The BRIC entity (the economies and the political ties between Brazil, Russia, India and China) would be a threat to US hegemony. But I misread an article -- South Korea's looking to join BRIC, not North Korea. BRIC's actually working to take care of North Korea's nuclear program, according to [http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/first-bric-foreign-ministers-meeting-friday_10047983.html]. At any rate, the economic growth of BRIC has seen unprecedented rates and their collective GDP is expected to surpass the Big 7's in 2020. Not to mention that they are politically at odds against the United States, a behavior instigated by Putin. I don't know if Medvedev will continue vying for global multipolarity, but things aren't looking good for our "hegemony."

You're right though, it would be a threat if they were to support our hegemony. Hahaha.
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Dong with a hard-sounding "d" is a vulgar way of saying "poop" in korean, with a softer d, its a common name for a male
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Yeah it was basically a gigantic failure. There's been no debris falling on Japan, nothing entered orbit, and the entire payload, whatever it truly was........ fell into the ocean. but it did get the entire world going OH ME OH MY!!!
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Didn't they like fire some missiles named dong a few years ago? I checked some Swedish news-site yesterday
and the only coverage they had about North Korea was an article about Kim Jong and how photos of him are
most likely photoshopped to make him look taller haha. That's Sweden for you.
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