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We're not stuck there. The usa could pack up and leave tomorrow. Everyone would probably be better off for it.
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i posted a reply to that but then my internet died so it got lost.

basically i meant that if they leave now right wingers will be like SHOULDA STAYD DA COURSE when Iraq blows up and if we stay longer to continue to try to stabalize (lol) then same thing, but it will take longer. so either way, not good for the current administration. this what i meant by stuck. also obama is leaning more to the latter imo.  then again i wonder how much Americans will really care about Iraq after we leave

probably not a lot
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Iran officially opened its first nuclear fuel production plant this week if you havent caught that already.

and there aint a whole lot anyone can or is gonna do about it

also watch/read these

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/bruce_bueno_de_mesquita_predicts_iran_s_future.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7991282.stm
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We're not stuck there. The usa could pack up and leave tomorrow. Everyone would probably be better off for it.
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ron paul was right about this though???

i mean if you ignore the motivations yeah he's completely 100% right.
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ron paul was right about this though???

i mean if you ignore the motivations yeah he's completely 100% right.
Was he? Are things going to be okay if US troops were to leave right now? Even though I don't know much about this at all it would seem VERY unlikely to me that such a sudden gigantic difference in military presence would go over well. How would local military and police forces be able to cope with a sudden tripling of responsibility? Would the fact that the US military is mostly the target make up for that?

And again I don't really know much about this, so if you have any links I could read that would be nice. But this has always been a major issue for me in respect to Ron Paul (and to be honest I thought you felt the same until now)!
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nothings going to be okay is the thing. iraqs gonna collapse into civil war, they're all dead, wipe hands claphands.

obama's plan to leave rules (as it is a plan to leave) but lets face it at the end of the day we're probably putting off the inevitable. it's not really a matter of links just the prevailing opinion of a lot of people that we never shoulda been there and now things are pretty hopeless no matter what.
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i think saying the USA could leave tomorrow isn't really possible! for one, just the matter of the logistics. moving 150,000 people + tons of equipment takes time, and two, i'm pretty sure a massive destabilization and power vacuum would occur immediately.

now, maybe the ends justify the means idk but i think it's safe to say there would be massive repercussions from a sudden end to a 150,000+ sized military occupation of a region.
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nothings going to be okay is the thing. iraqs gonna collapse into civil war, they're all dead, wipe hands claphands.
So, that's it? What about the UN? You know, I really wonder if and how it will be possible for the international community to do anything once that happens. Look at Darfur. Half a million are dead. If people want to kill one another, there's not really much anyone can do, I guess.

This type of problem is so disgusting it makes me wonder why anyone would ever want to be a politician.
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On another note, what on earth are these tea parties I've been hearing about? Are they actually invoking the Boston Tea Party to make a political statement?
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Taxed Already Enough is waht they stand for. theyre grassroots conservatives. i dont know exactly what theyre protesting, but i assume its taxation in general. whats awesome though is people refer ot them as the "teabaggers"
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This type of problem is so disgusting it makes me wonder why anyone would ever want to be a politician.

Yeah. I wonder how many people start their political careers ya know gonna CHANGE THE SYSTEM and then their souls get immediately crushed and put through a meat grinder
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Yeah. I wonder how many people start their political careers ya know gonna CHANGE THE SYSTEM and then their souls get immediately crushed and put through a meat grinder
Unfortunately, that's everyone.

Iran officially opened its first nuclear fuel production plant this week if you havent caught that already.

and there aint a whole lot anyone can or is gonna do about it

also watch/read these

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/bruce_bueno_de_mesquita_predicts_iran_s_future.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7991282.stm
Game Theory is so bizarre. How can you accommodate the effectiveness of people's interests, factor in given conditions, and produce a mathematical outcome? Sounds like magic to me. But I hope the results are right. It's not a bad thing for the Iran government to use nuclear energy for civilian purposes, and NOT build a bomb (as the Game Theory projects). But I think the Game Theory doesn't give enough credit to the power of the rising Ayatollahs and the deeply rooted religious mindset in the area. Proponents of the Game Theory claim that history doesn't affect this outcome much. That's according to our increasingly liberal society though, where history doesn't play much of a role (as demonstrated by that Iowan legislator link and how our generation doesn't care about gay marriage). Contrarily, history in the middle-east is a huge factor in their society, and in many cases the 'historical' religious forces actually stepped in to check and reverse liberal ideals, according to John Laffin's book "Holy War" (a terribly biased source, but it makes some sense). What scares me is the Islamic concept of jihad (religious war). According to the Q'uran, Mohammad in his conquest split the world into two categories, Dar-al Islam (the lands of Islam) and Dar-al Harb (the lands of war), and it's basically Islam's duty to dominate the opposing faction. Even if Iran's nuclear program is strictly for civilian use, during times of war (I distrust the area's stability) they will surely use that as an asset to their power. This might sound pretty terrible, and I trolled about this earlier in some other thread, but I sincerely hope that this nuclear program will add a sense of luxury to the Iranian civilians' interests, and that this sense of luxury will mitigate the rising powers of their religious belligerence.
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I wouldnt be worried about the rising power of a conservative religious movement in Iran right now and also I think you have a very skewed idea of what jihad is. dont forget that all that jihad means is 'struggle' and that jihad of the sword is only one of the 4 jihads (heart, tongue and hand are the other three) and its not even the most important one. one thing to keep in mind however, the qom ayatollahs may be conservative but they are certainly not radicals. if anything I would say they are most concerned with issues of social justice and many of them could be considered progressive reformers heh. obviously my statements are being made with a caveat here and that is that iran is a deeply conservative country and all my judgements of position should be taken assuming relativity to their system as opposed to ours

btw the game theory thing... its all predictions based upon probability so take it with a grain of salt eh?

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I will, but the concept's pretty interesting.

Yeah, Laffin's book is trash and I need to read more sources on the subject. I don't think I give Iran enough credit anyway; a friend of mine's an Iranian immigrant and he and his family is surprisingly progressive (contrary to the usual stereotype). They are pretty conservative but they're not DEATH TO AMERIKA or anything like that. They probably represent a good portion of Iran's population.
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Taxed Enough Already is waht they stand for. theyre grassroots conservatives. i dont know exactly what theyre protesting, but i assume its taxation in general. whats awesome though is people refer ot them as the "teabaggers"

This sums it up pretty good:


I can't even begin to keep track of how many times they mention teabagging in this.

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