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Ron Paul's Plan to Fend off Pirates

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Erika Lovley Erika Lovley – Wed Apr 15, 5:16 am ET

A little-known congressional power could help the federal government keep the Somali pirates in check — and possibly do it for a discount price.

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) and a growing number of national security experts are calling on Congress to consider using letters of marque and reprisal, a power written into the Constitution that allows the United States to hire private citizens to keep international waters safe.

Used heavily during the Revolution and the War of 1812, letters of marque serve as official warrants from the government, allowing privateers to seize or destroy enemies, their loot and their vessels in exchange for bounty money.

The letters also require would-be thrill seekers to post a bond promising to abide by international rules of war.

In a YouTube video earlier this week, Paul suggested lawmakers consider issuing letters, which could relieve American naval ships from being the nation’s primary pirate responders — a free-market solution to make the high seas safer for cargo ships.

“I think if every potential pirate knew this would be the case, they would have second thoughts because they could probably be blown out of the water rather easily if those were the conditions,” Paul said.

Theoretically, hiring bounty hunters would also be a cheaper option.

National security experts estimate that this week’s ship captain rescue by Navy SEALs cost tens of millions, although a Navy spokesman says the military cannot confirm the exact cost of the mission.

Instead, privateers would be incentivized to patrol the ocean looking for key targets — and money would be paid only to the contractor who completed the job.

“If we have 100 American wanna-be Rambos patrolling the seas, it’s probably a good way of getting the job done,” said Competitive Enterprise Institute senior fellow and security expert Eli Lehrer. “Right now we have a Navy designed mostly to fight other navies. The weapons we have are all excellent, but they may not be the best ones to fight these kinds of pirates. The only cost under letters of marque would be some sort of bounty for the pirates.”

According to Senate historians, Congress hasn’t issued a letter of marquee since the War of 1812, but the Confederate States of America issued them during the Civil War to deliver supplies behind enemy lines. There are also some indications that a letter was granted to a flying band of armed civilians during World War II to operate the Resolute, a Goodyear Blimp used to patrol the ocean for enemy submarines, but the issuance isn’t apparent in the Congressional Record.

If Congress were to revisit the antiquated process, a serious makeover would be required.

In the past, privateers were allowed to keep the ship and treasure they captured in an enemy encounter.

“That isn’t a viable way of funding in today’s world,” said Lehrer. “These pirates don’t really have treasure chests, and their money is tied up in Swiss Bank accounts. Congress would probably have to attach sizable bounties to people.”

Bounties are not a new idea — there is still a $25 million bounty on Osama bin Laden, and millions have been awarded by the government for other enemy captures.

 

The U.S. State Department earlier this month put a $5 million bounty on the head of the top Pakistani Taliban leader, and even local police departments use rewards to solve cold cases.

University of Oregon economics professor Bill Harbaugh argues the setup could potentially work better than some of the United States’ relationships with modern-day security contractors.

“Obviously, this is somewhat like the contract the government had with Blackwater, except we forgot the bond part of the contract, he said. “If Congress had used this contract from 1776, it would have been more sophisticated than the one they issued with Blackwater.”

Harbaugh’s fifth great-grandfather, Silas Talbot, worked as an early privateer for the United States in 1780 after serving in the Revolutionary War. His letter of marque shows he set out with 12 carriage guns and a crew of 50 men to attack and seize cargo ships coming from Great Britain on the high seas.

Could it really work again?

“It may work in the sense that if you give people incentives to fight piracy, you’ll see more action taken against it,” said Andrew Grotto, a senior national security analyst with the Center for American Progress. “The ocean is huge and, practically speaking, there’s no way the Navy can prevent piracy; it’s too big. But just given the experience in Iraq with private contractors, that effort showcases the difficulties dealing with folks who aren’t answerable to anyone but shareholders.”

But Paul has already thought through a number of these updates.

Days after Sept. 11, Paul introduced legislation allowing President Bush to allow private citizens to go after Osama bin Laden and other identified terrorists and put a bounty price on the heads of targets responsible for the New York attacks. Contractors would also be required to post a play-by-the-rules bond and turn over any terrorists — and their seized property —to U.S. authorities.

“The Constitution gives Congress the power to issue letters of marque and reprisal when a precise declaration of war is impossible due to the vagueness of the enemy,” Paul wrote in a press release. “Once letters of marque and reprisal are issued, every terrorist is essentially a marked man.”

But national security experts and legal analysts warn that applying a colonial-era policy to a modern-day problem could be wrought with legal pitfalls that the Founding Fathers never encountered.

If bounty hunters chase pirates into territorial coastal waters or on to the shore of another country, the problem would fall under the jurisdiction of that country. And any plundering activity that takes place in coastal waters is no longer considered piracy, according to College of William and Mary national security law professor Linda Malone.

Not to mention that there’s also no clear indication where and how the captured pirates should be prosecuted.

“You have to find a stable court system nearby to have them tried for these offenses, but that can be quite complicated,” Malone said. “The fact that the pirates are from Somalia doesn’t make them state actors. They are doing this for private gain.”

And how to determine exactly who is a pirate — and what constitutes pirate activity — could get fuzzy.

“What happens when a ship flying under Congress accidentally takes out an aid ship bound for Somalia?” Grotto said. “At what time does an act seem pirate-like enough to cross the line? Do we really want these snap judgments being made on the fly in waters thousands of miles away from Washington? This is not Johnny Depp we’re dealing with.”

this has seriously got to be some kind of april fool's joke. ron paul wants to bring back... privateers? i wonder if they will be paid in gold bullion

seriously he just keeps on getting crazier. last week there was an article about him wanting to privatize the national guard too, i'll see if i can find that

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he already tried this during the election. yeah it's hilarious.
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man he is a fucking moron

they are all stupid every single person working on that fucking bill, why don't those morons try talking to actual seaman. Just give them fucking weapons like 1/4 of our fleet already do instead of endangering more people with this stupid shit.
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Good, this is a good idea, anyone that would buy a boat to go fight pirates needs to be killed by pirates anyway--especially since they probably would vote for Ron Paul anyway.
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Interesting idea, but I can imagine so many problems arising from this.  How the hell do you differentiate a pirate from anyone else anyway?  We'd have folks out there just blowing fishermen to shit.
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A lot of the piracy in somalia is pretty justified because foreign boats will just roll up without permits and overfish or just go and dump some nuclear waste into the ocean. What would you do if you were a fisherman facing this kinda shit?
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It was a container ship carrying grain I'm pretty sure and those merchant ships don't do either of that so no, they were trying to get money out of that most recent attack.

and fisherman don't take any shit. Straight up. So yeah I'd agree with that.
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this dude jacks it to letters of marque and reprisal.

maybe we can get...boba fett to carry them out??

nah it reality this is just more stupid libertarian bullshit. yeah yeah lets hire private security firms to do the federal governments job of keeping our ships safe.
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A lot of the piracy in somalia is pretty justified because foreign boats will just roll up without permits and overfish or just go and dump some nuclear waste into the ocean. What would you do if you were a fisherman facing this kinda shit?

also yeah. apparently big fucking tankers just drive right up where the local fisherman are fishing and catch all the fish and drive away since somalia's federal government is basically nonexistent. so instead they get capt jack sparrow n krew
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uh you guys are dumb

go back to my article about piracy

and you will learn that hiring a bunch of privateers is pretty much the only way you can get rid of an endemic pirate problem. this has been proven time and fucking time again from the bronze age to the romans to the venetians and the caribbean. then again this could easily be done by a single military commander who is in control of a large well disciplined naval fleet with a very specific and thorough plan for rooting out pirates, but then again we could just pay someone to do it so whatever

but that said I dont support any sort of movement to quell piracy in the waters off the coast of somalia so fuck it
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this might be a job for... SOLDIER
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yeah cause the US totally has jurisdiction in somali waters
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SOLDIER doesnt work for the US, silly
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i don't know, this seems pretty awesome to me. but yeah i think the pirates are pretty justified in this case.
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i think you guys may be romanticizing the pirates to be FISHERMEN UPRISINGS when really they're mostly militia thugs who are not good people at all and are probably destroying the local economies of port towns/cities in somalia

whatever though i really don't blame them

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i think you guys may be romanticizing the pirates to be FISHERMEN UPRISINGS when really they're mostly militia thugs who are not good people at all and are probably destroying the local economies of port towns/cities in somalia

whatever though i really don't blame them
the militias are not the reason the local economies are being destroyed, they're a symptom of that
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no he probably just thinks that the pirates are raiding somalis as well as international ships or something
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There are some pirates who are just fishermen TAKIN' BACK THE HIGH SEAS but most of them are just cowardly bilge rats who're after a quick haul of doubloons!

I like how at one point he says that the pirates have their money tied up in Swiss bank accounts. I refuse to believe that. That is totally ridiculous. These pirates are operating boats that barely float, what makes the guy in that article believe they have the ability to invest in overseas bank accounts? Swiss bank accounts aren't exactly picky where they take money from, but I think a guy dressed in rags shouting at them with an AK-47 in his hands might alert them something is up. They can't do it over the phone because they DON'T HAVE ANY! These are high-tech space marauders, these are guys in converted fishing boats with old Soviet assault rifles they purloined from an arms dealer they knew in middle school.

But seriously, privateers? Yeah, just what the world needs: more assholes with guns and a reason to shoot them. "Whoops I thought that was a bounty, sorry honest fisherman for shooting your face off, guess I'll sail away now!"

Privateers were only vaguely acceptable when they first emerged because they didn't have the wherewithal to do anything but sail around and be the dicks of the high seas- they were simply pirates who usually agreed not to attack the nation who was paying them- and because no one knew what they were up to (and didn't care if they killed a couple garlic eating dons or nappy haired wogs). Nowadays, the scary big companies that own the contractors have billions of dollars and are ridiculously deeply intertwined with national governments. We don't need to give them MORE power. That's the worst thing we could do!
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This whole pirates phenomenon isn't going to constantly be in the news. It's going to keep happening and eventually we'll all lose interest. Like DietCoke says, it's just another symptom of Africa's troubles. It's no surprise that such a disgusting bill would be sponsored by Ron Paul.