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Grunthor

#21 April 17, 2009, 10:21:28 pm

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Quote from: KBJGXLM on April 17, 2009, 06:22:32 pm

Remember when the TV links guy got arrested?

Well now I am seeing commercials for Hulu.

There's a huge difference with the Hulu site and the TV links guy. Hulu works with the content producers and shares revenue with them generated by the ads on the site (Youtube announced their own version of this yesterday). The guy who ran TV Links didn't do any of that stuff.

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#22 April 17, 2009, 10:29:30 pm

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Its pretty dumb to run a site like that and name it the pirate bay. Why not be a little more subtle about it and make an effort to mask the site's purpose?

From what I understand, the people who run it are a bunch of cocky stubborn nerds so I guess its not a big surprise that they carried on like this

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#23 April 17, 2009, 10:39:10 pm

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This is fucking stupid, and later people complain about jails being overfilled.
Those guys are not criminals, they have nothing to do in jail.

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#24 April 17, 2009, 10:49:45 pm

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Did these guys actually do anything illegal? As I understand the site, its the users who upload torrents.. the site just stores them, shrug.. idk.

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#25 April 17, 2009, 11:00:34 pm

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Now its time for the RIAA to go after those google bastards, whos huge index allows far more torrents than TPB to be easily located. And Microsoft, Mozilla and Apple for making those browsers which make pirating so easy.

Oh and Dell, Samsung, Phillips, Sony etc who make the hardware on which Pirated material is so easily viewed.

Ecetera.

That is true. Couldn't they get google in trouble for the same thing if they tried? I find torrents to illegal files off of google all the time.

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#26 April 17, 2009, 11:02:09 pm

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well google also makes billions a year in profit. it's a lot easier to target two nerds in sweden with no money

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#27 April 18, 2009, 01:35:14 am

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i wonder if they will ever get greedy enough to try it. it seriously would not surprise me.

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#28 April 18, 2009, 01:48:20 am

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This was not surprising at all really since IPRED was implemented here just 2 weeks ago by our government so this is just to show all the people here that "GUYS! WE MEAN SERIOUS BUSINESS! DON'T DOWNLOAD MOVIES, MUSIC AND PORN ILLEGALLY!!"

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#29 April 18, 2009, 08:20:55 am

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Quote from: DietCoke on April 17, 2009, 10:29:30 pm

Its pretty dumb to run a site like that and name it the pirate bay. Why not be a little more subtle about it and make an effort to mask the site's purpose?

Because there's nothing illegal about naming a site The Pirate Bay? Neither is there (or rather, should there be) anything illegal about a site "like that". What are you even trying to say here? That they were bound to go down because "we all know what it's used for anyway"? The point of blind justice is to make sure exactly those things are out of consideration.

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#30 April 18, 2009, 09:55:16 am

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Hah this is now stated on theyr main page:

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#31 April 18, 2009, 01:18:52 pm

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Quote from: Dada on April 17, 2009, 06:21:35 pm

It shouldn't. Just like calling yourself a "pirate" doesn't incriminate you when all you are doing is running a perfectly legal and profitable business, such as a website that has revenue from its visitors clicking on the advertisements. Making money isn't illegal. It might make them look bad, but that's why justice is blind.

No, it shouldn't, I agree. But like you said, it makes them look bad, and even though justice is supposed to be blind it isn't always. I'm just saying it made it a little harder on them since now they can be harassed from that angle.

Trust me, I don't think things SHOULD be that way but they are!

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#32 April 18, 2009, 02:00:39 pm

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I think the outcome of this court case, would affect all the other torrent sites, I mean if they are jailed or somehow forced to pay the fine then what's stopping software companies and music companies from suing the rest of the torrent sites?

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#33 April 18, 2009, 02:39:12 pm

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Quote from: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 17, 2009, 01:58:16 pm

so this is not unexpected at all but it's probably going to set up lots of crazy legal precedences!

That's what's scary about this case. If 'providing infrastructure' for unproven crime (done by the individual downloaders) is against the law and merits jail time, then we're fucked. Sites like Youtube would go down in an instant, or probably change very drastically. It's almost like arresting the gun salesman because the lawful sale of their gun *enabled* a serial killer to commit murder. Of course, the counterargument is that Pirate Bay did not have a means to ensure that their users had a right to download the things they did, but how the fuck do you do that? Best thing you can do is make a disclaimer and pin the fault on the individual downloader, which DOESN'T WORK but whatever.

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#34 April 18, 2009, 08:40:27 pm

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nah. the courts are stupid but I don't think even they will be dumb enough to keep a law about file sharing this open around. it would be as you pointed out complete chaos for almost every website. my guess is they'll play fast and loose with the law a couple of years, we'll have some bizarre legal shit go down as the SC attempts to define a torrent vs a file share, and things will probably settle to back to this, with some legalese trying to get rid of piratebay esque sites.

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#35 April 18, 2009, 11:21:21 pm

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Quote from: Dada on April 18, 2009, 08:20:55 am

Because there's nothing illegal about naming a site The Pirate Bay? Neither is there (or rather, should there be) anything illegal about a site "like that". What are you even trying to say here? That they were bound to go down because "we all know what it's used for anyway"? The point of blind justice is to make sure exactly those things are out of consideration.

they knowingly profited off of a site that openly facilitated software/movie/music piracy. What I'm saying here is that anyone who is not an idiot can look at what happened to all the popular sites of this nature and maybe be a little bit smarter about it.

I mean you can argue about how justice needs to be blind and all that 'till you're blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact that they painted a giant bullseye on their ass and should have probably been a bit more careful. What were they expecting? The RIAA and MPAA represent a multibillion dollar industry, whether or not you agree with them is a completely moot point because they're going to get what they want.

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#36 April 18, 2009, 11:45:59 pm

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I don't know about movies or Porn, but in music, if you want to arrest someone for thievery it should be the labels

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#37 April 19, 2009, 07:14:57 am

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I thought file-sharing was totally legal in Sweden anyways?

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#38 April 19, 2009, 08:57:58 am

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Quote from: DietCoke on April 18, 2009, 11:21:21 pm

I mean you can argue about how justice needs to be blind and all that 'till you're blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact that they painted a giant bullseye on their ass and should have probably been a bit more careful. What were they expecting?

This is probably exactly what they were expecting. They want to reform copyright law and are willing to challenge the system for it. They just did.

If you ignore the fact that they're called The Pirate Bay, all the courts should see is a torrent site that allows its visitors to link to whatever they desire. Up until there it should be perfectly legal. Which means the EUCD should have applied in individual cases only.

Regardless if it's considered naive to have expected acquittal, I'm convinced that under current law it should technically be perfectly legal.

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#39 April 19, 2009, 09:03:36 am

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#40 April 19, 2009, 09:04:17 am

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And here we go: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/59677/brein-wil-na-vonnis-the-pirate-bay-in-nederland-laten-blokkeren.html
(Translated by Google: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Fnieuws%2F59677%2Fbrein-wil-na-vonnis-the-pirate-bay-in-nederland-laten-blokkeren.html&sl=nl&tl=en)

The Dutch copyright watchdog (aptly called BREIN which means brain) wants the ISPs to engage in compulsory censorship so that The Pirate Bay can't be viewed from here anymore. Note: ISPs are already using a secret blacklist, but allegedly only to block child porn. I think this is the first time they've suggested censorship of a site that simply violates copyright.

I don't think it'll happen, though. The Dutch copyright watchdog is mostly bark and no bite, and the government won't disturb the balance that currently exists between the rights of the copyright holders and the people. But this is the sort of stuff we'll start seeing everywhere in Europe now.

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