Yeah, if anything, Starship Troopers the film was a parody/reimagining of Starship Troopers the book. If you listen to the commentary on the DVD, Verhoeven specifically points out that the reason why they wanted to put Doogie Howser in a Nazi uniform was to deligitimize Heinlein's ideal. Its tricky though, the level of parody played as such is fairly thin, and so I don't think most people would catch it unless they were looking for it. I saw the movie about half a dozen times before I took a course on sf film and discovered exactly what the film was trying to do. There is even a "Hitler Youth" scene: its crazy, but its also really subtle.

Which is kind of a scary thing about fascism! If you get caught up in the film, you don't really notice that its there, that the military state dominates the lives of the characters. Most people don't even really notice that it is an aspect of the movie, because they get more interested in the war with the bugs and the characters than they do with the world around them. Verhoeven is clever enough, I think, to work it in like this so we might not acknowledge the defecits of the military state while we are a part of it as spectators. I think that the "light touch" Verhoeven gave to this aspect of SST actually is one of its more compelling features. For these reasons I would say that SST was a good movie and shouldn't be on this list.

I dunno much about heinlein but his first novel was all about social credit. it was barely even a story, maybe that's why he never got it published. he was mostly just a real fuckin nut tho so it's hard to tell what he was thinking when he wrote starship troopers.

it's not horrible ironic hipster horrible. it's maybe slightly bad ironic hipster horrible. horrible ironic hipsters would probably be disdainful of dr. horrible.

dr horrible owns?

I love crime thrillers. Its an almost universally bad genre, few exceptions, but they are the movies I will watch to pass the time

I'm sure someone's already suggested Troll 2, so I won't bother.

Instead, let me bring your attention to SURVIVING THE GAME! Saw the trailer for this and thought "Rutger Hauer vs Ice T! This will be excellent!". It was not excellent. It was very far from excellent. Very boring and stupid actually. But about halfway through the film, it felt as if the director and actors thought "Fuck it, this is shit! Let's go nuts" and it turns into the BEST unintentional comedy EVER! Here's one of the best scenes (this guy's an Oscar winner).

I am in love with The Core.  It's one of my favorite movies ever.  But I didn't think it was terrible, yet everyone else did.  It was just that it kept trying so hard to be a good movie, yet kept screwing up... like an adorable kid or something.

I thought The Core was class too. Just the first half of it though. After that, it goes into Summer Blockbuster mode and gets boring.

Scarecrow Gone Wild:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVNBja-GSrg

I believe the movie's budget was $216 and a bottle of ketchup.

oh i watched two steve reeves films during some sort of classics club presentation. the presentation was very good but the movies were very bad, its focus was sword and sandal/pepla/spaghetti grecian&roman films and steve reeves' contributions to the genre. mostly these are very large muscles and a very slim waistline.

the avenger is like the latter books of the aeneid in movie form but for some reason they call him by his italian name, enea. latinus is named latino, which made people giggle. like many of its contemporaries the film is dubbed over so none of the mouths match, and some of the sounds they make are very good. their helms are ridiculous in a good way (some of the weirder ones, like big reflective sideways triangles that seem like they would slow you down, are etruscan designs) and most of the leading males wear very short togas. camilla has a very mod outfit and hairstyle for a tribal queen. anyway it is pretty good but there are large expanses of nothing, mostly during battles, with very poor cinematography.

hercules i only saw 2/3 of but it was much better. it was the mst3k version which colors  things, but it was funnier  than the other version even without that. it's a laughably truncated version of the golden fleece story mixed in with one or two labors of hercules, all within the frame of pelias' murder of his brother, which hercules has to solve i guess. they meet the amazons (not just some ladies on lemnos, they are amazons and tough)  and right after that they get to some island that has the fleece, not introduced as colchis i don't think. they just get off the boat and find some monkey people and a tree with a luminous fleece and a very skillfully leaf-covered pit. anyway, the plot is very bad which is... good

i do not know if i would go out of my way to watch either of them again. probably hercules for the ending and actually the avenger was funny so.. maybe.

jack. fuckin. frost