thats the thing dude, they did it for MONEY. how do you view that as a positive step at all? you know if it was two men they would have been booed off stage. they did it because people are scum and want to see that shit, not because they were really advancing gay rights. that does a great deal of harm, because not only does it carry the covert suggestion that just like Tatu, most gays are faking and just want attention, but that the best way to approach gay rights is through oversexualizing women all over again.

this wasn't a step towards gay rights, it was a backslide and pretty embarassing at that. I'm done with this...

I can see where you are coming from now, but I never saw it that way. Maybe I am too optimistic towards them. I still feel as though more good came from it then bad... that is just me... let's leave it at that. I don't want to argue anymore.

...You're the one who mocked my manner of speaking, if you recall. I've got every right to be angry at you for conveniently forgetting arguments and so blatantly switching tactics from agressive to pitiful...   ...However, the way you're acting here is annoying to say the least...

I did mock you, and I apologize, but I didn't start it. Your reply to me before was extremely condescending... first, you implied I knew nothing about tatu and went on to tell me i was embarrassing myself for trying to defend one of my favorite bands... You also called me 'Dear' which kind of sounded as though you were trying to make yourself seem superior to me. All I did was call you 'dear' back. You also annoyed me, so were even ;)

And you think I 'switched tactics' by trying to act pitiful? I really didn't mean it that way. I was hardly anywhere NEAR as aggressive as ANYONE ELSE was towards me... anyone can look back and see that. I did talk down to a few people, but it was only in return, and again, I'm sorry. I only stopped and apologized because I was trying to cool down the arguments. And I wasn't targeting you alone in my previous post, either. Don't tell me I deserved to be talked down to the way I was. I had a blatant slur thrown at me for Christ's sake... i didn't start anything.

I have already made my apology and I was accused of trying to act pitiful... if we could have a decent argument about tatu WITHOUT degradingg each other in the process that would be cool.

I really have no fucking idea what you're doing. like, this is one of the most unlikeable bands ever and you thought it was a good idea to make a topic about the fact that they're attempting to recreate their flash in the pan by adding nudity and abortion messages? ANTI-abortion messages, no less?

sb's obviously joking (and I really found his comment out of line) but seriously what is this? JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU LOL well about a thousand bands release singles a week, and so far all you've done is say "well I like them so" rather than talk about why.

I came here to share something I genuinely liked, hoping to find a few others who shared my interests... Not everyone alive has the same negative opinions on tatu as you do, so I thought I had the right. I feel really naive that I didn't expect so much hatred and disrespect not only for tatu but for me too.

If I had went into details as to why I like tatu I thought they would be picked apart and used to call me stupid.

So let's see what happens...

I found out about tatu when I was younger, about 16. It was when they first hit the us. That was a very hard time for me, having to deal with my true feelings about being gay in the hellish south. It was probably the most painful period in my life so far. This may sound completely asinine to others, but their music gave me something to relate to. Aside from that, I liked the music. The fact that two girls would stand up and fearlessly kiss each other in front of the world and not be booed off stage gave me strength, I guess. I did turn on them when I found out they weren't really in love, but I eventually figured that they did more good than harm. They brought homosexuality into the mainstream music world. Yulia is bisexual, btw.

Aside from all that... I love Yulia’s voice. No one else on earth has a voice like she does. It's rough, husky, and sweet all in one. Lena’s voice is soft and complements Yulia’s better than anyone else’s ever could. And I like their thick accents. I like their style. It all boils down to personal taste…

Here's some more fuel for the fire, just in case some might enjoy it... I don't care anymore. the ENGLISH version of the song. No abortion theme present.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kzmOWBz3vEk&feature=related

ahahahahahaahhahaha you proved my point so perfectly thats awesome. you should probably just stop right now

Why do you have to be such a jerk? I agreed with you on one thing (the nudity) and you try to make me feel stupid. What is wrong with you people that you have to be so fucking rude?

http://tatugallery.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=8&page=4
http://tatugallery.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=9&page=9
This same site has many galleries with pictures of them open-mouth kissing, touching each other sexually, and one of their later gigs where they get in lesbian sexual positions on stage. Warning that there is some nudity in some of the galleries, and one of them has pictures of them in wet clothing when they were under age.

Not to mention that their first album was entitled "200km/h in the wrong lane", which would have been fantastic were they actually gay. To deny the fact that they pretended to be lesbians and call yourself a fan... Please stop replying, this is getting embarrassing. I think I'm going to stop at this point as well, I've already spent far too long posting in this thread.

What they do during a performance really has nothing to do with the content of the song. They pretended to butt fuck during Malchik Gay.
Anyway, you seem to be getting mad at me. I'm not trying to anger anyone here, so I apologize for that. Let's just agree to disagree. I just hope people's opinions in my interests don't necessarily reflect their opinions on me.

quit giving straight people a reason to hate gays you faggot

Did you seriously say that to me? I am seriously offended by that. What is your problem? I hope you were just kidding, but even if you were you deserve a warning for that. That is probably the rudest, most homophobic thing anyone has ever said to me here... and I seem to be pretty well disliked as it is.

i like how they undermine any political integrity that music video could have had by including boobs.

I found it funny... the nudity was a cheap trick, but I'm a sucker for that stuff. I think it shocked the fans most of all. We all expected Yulia to be the one showing tit, but not Lena. She is the more conservative one of the group.

Mainly because Jessica Simpson is another HORRIBLE artist who I'm sure if you twisted your opinion you could attempt to convince me is good, her dad is her manager lol surely he gives her some say into what music she makes, i hear she writes her own songs lol.


Anyway gunna duck out of this pointless arguement because no matter what you say its universally accepted that TATU are a joke, in the same way that Aqua, Eifell 65 and the Vengaboys are a joke. Take Aquarius out of the cd player k thx

I guess you're right. The only good bands are the ones YOU like, after all... if you would have told me that before we could have saved a whole lot of time...

Every 'big' mainstream artist has something to do with someone at a record company and yes I know they have their own company but that doesn't mean they are fully and utterly independent.

please inform us about jessica simpsons creativity and talent ok

I never said a record company wasn't involved. I just pointed out that one didn't completely fabricate the idea as you ignorantly assumed, and I also never said they were fully independent. No musician is. And how can you even begin to compare them to Jessica Simpson?

Yes, I know they got rid of Ivan when they came out as not being lesbian lovers - they said this whole scheme was his idea. Â And if you think they weren't pushing the lesbian image in anything but ya soshla sma... Dear, you might as well stop posting right now, because you don't know very much about tatu.
It's a very common idea amongst pro-choice people. It's saying that anti-abortion essentially gives the woman no power over what's happening inside her, no control over her own body. I'm not going to debate this further, we all know it wouldn't be worth it especially here.

edit: sorry for any confusion, this reply was intended for parasun.

Well, DEAR, their are songs that dealt with 'forbidden love' or 'love without boundries' but they weren't necessarily gay. They also sang Malchik Gay, a song about a girl falling in love with a boy who was gay. Were there anymore, because you seem to know more than me.


And as for the whole abortion thing, I agree with you guys. I really dont like it, but it is a statement only found in the music video on Yulia's part. Yulia even had an abortion in her younger days... She has given birth to two children and that has obviously changed her mind now. Maybe the experience of giving life has done something to her. It isn't as though she has gone 100% conservative. She is still bisexual. And don't forget, they are RUSSIAN. They don't even look at these issues the same way Americans do. There were more abortions in Russia last year then there were births. Russia's population is declining super fast. Maybe these things influence her opinions. She isn't trying to make abortions illegal or anything. She is just trying to tell people not to abuse the right they have.

QED my friend.

pretty sure when you make an anti-abortion video its a wee bit political tex. the fact that she's trying to conflate it with murder and suicide only betrays her ignorance, not her lack of proficiency in English.

Where did you get suicide??? If it is her opinion that abortion is murder then that is her opinion... i don't agree with it, but it dosen't make her ignorant.

Man I love how you think they are expressing themselves. Someone at a record company thought up a controversal sexual image which would sell records, the same with the lesbian thing.
HAY HOW ABOUT A SONG WHICH DOESNT RELY ON BULLSHIT TO SELL? And yeah its manufacture techno pop
edit: woah that sounds like a steel post hasjdhakjshd

I'm glad you love how I think they are expressing themselves...
The song was inspired by a poem written by a Russian fan for tatu... it had nothing to do with 'someone at a record company.' They don't have to sing anything they don't want to sing, they have more control over the things they do then you think. And some people like techno pop, biiiiiiiiiiiich.

... they're going entirely against their previous fanbase with this, fully embracing male domination over the female body...

Where did you get male domination from that?
They got rid of Ivan... They wanted to pursue their careers in music with their own ideas... they were not intended to be a gay group from the start, either. That image came with ONE SONG. All the Things She Said... That was it... Also, the girls are like sisters... they do love each other... why should they split?

...I judged this shit pretty fairly, it's unforgivably generic crap from a garbage group that no one should respect, full of political pandering to the lowest common denominator, and hoping a silver platter with an embossed pattern of tits will distract you from the bowling ball sized pile of shit they are serving.

I don't think so. I like them. I respect them. I think they have lots of talent... I guess that makes me stupid?

to clarify, from a UCSB interview:

I miss Soviet Russia where people like this were too confused by the concept of standing in a line and ended up starving to death.

Yulia can barely speak English... that dosent make her stupid. The anti-abortion theme of the video is a personal choice on Yulia's side. She was pregnant with her second child, it had nothing to do with politics... The song itself is against violence in general. What is so stupid about that?
So, you wish she would have starved to death in Soviet Russia??? Maybe she wishes you would have been born back in the 'slave days' Magic NEGRO! HUHHHHHHH?

pop musicians seriously have the worst political opinions and whenever they express them in their music it's a bit like Garfield sitting down and giving us his position on Barack Obama while still maintaining chracter.

Yeah, I know... How dare they express themselves... those stupid, untalented, has-been sluts...

It doesn't annoy me that people hate them... it annoys me when people judge ignorantly.

you guys are just tards.

yulia WAS preggers again... she is a huge slut... still i love her.

Has anyone herd t.A.T.u.'s new single? It's supposed to be anti-abortion but I dont make the connections... It has been out for a few months, but they have just released the uncensored version of the video, which has a new remix of the song (better if you ask me.)

CENSORED VERSION w/ radio edit of Beliy Plaschik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3vEIEa_AYo&feature=related

UNCENSORED VERSION w/ remix of Beliy Plaschik
*WARNING*
There is some boobage... so it probably wont stay up long on youtube... but I'll post it anyway...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq4C_Q72hZk

I have clear memories of picking dandelions and eating the stems as a child riding my wagon... I didn't know they were edible... I was just nasty...

Parasun it's racist to call them "midgets". Maybe not racist but it's not PC.

Do you mean to suggest that midgets have feelings? Yeah, next your gonna tell me the blacks have souls. You're silly, tee hee hee 



I'm kidding.

Racist is right, I mean, dwarves are a race, aren't they? So for you to suggest that midgets aren't worthy of being a "race" is not PC.

But yeah, that sideways walk is disturbing and hilarious.

Dwarfism isn't a race, it's a 'condition.'

In any even, even if this wasn't fake it is still mean to be afraid of a midget, even if it is wearing a pointy hat. Poor midget.

Ditching the campaign manager is the political equivalent of firing the kicker.

she didn't fire the campaign manager, she just left.

It isn't clear to me as to who actually has more delegates. Why does every website I go to say different? Some say Clinton, some say Obama. I didn't think the delegates were something that was open to very much interpretation.

Obama is/was the underdog dude. Clinton was pretty far up in the Summer, she's fallen a lot.

I know, that's why I used to prefer him. I didn't like Clinton very much, but not even I'm sure why I never liked her. The only thing I really dislike about Clinton now (besides the lifeless speeches she gives, as xeno|soft mentioned) is that she used to be on the Wal-Mart board... 

Seriously, I like them both, and I would be just as happy with either one of them as president. I just have a warm spot in my heart for underdogs, and I feel bad for Hill because everyone hates her so much... and the funny thing is that no one gives me the same reason as to why they don't like her and the reasons are never good ones to begin with.

What if she ends up as our democratic candidate? Will you guys vote for her, or vote republican, or not even vote at all? Would you be pissed?