i don't think video games are art for the most part. i think i would compare even the best of them to just a really good thriller/action movie which is KIND OF art but more just entertainment.

Well I don't know about taking it totally out of the context of a video game. I think that is part of what makes it what it is - I'm not saying it couldn't be good as a film, but I don't think it NEEDS to be a film. The interaction with the world made me alot more interested in certain details, and actually wandering around his nutty mind and discovering little moments here and there yourself makes the atmosphere alot more paranoid to me. Also, remember the part where you jump down all those holes towards the end of the game? If that was a movie, then yes it would have still been pretty effective (well, maybe), but because it is YOU who has to control him when he gets down there, you're the one who has to take the action, then the apprehension of what is down there is alot stronger because you need to actively meet it.

I mean yes there are parts of the gameplay that I don't have any use for (this door is locked...heh..go find a key and unlock the door......idiot) but there are other parts that I think enhance the story because really Silent Hill 2's story isn't really original, and is only compelling because the ideas it chooses to explore are compelling in themselves. You can find similar stories all over the place, but that fact that you need to be an active participant in unravelling the story is something unique to games and brings some new feeling to it which I think makes it worth it.

But basically my big problem with that game is that it was poorly written. I wish it had better writing.

i don't think video games are art for the most part. i think i would compare even the best of them to just a really good thriller/action movie which is KIND OF art but more just entertainment.

Depends on where you look. Big budget games are not going to be art as big budget movies often are simple entertainment.

I was actually being facetious with SotC/K7 being recognized as "art" by gamers, thing.  Not that I necessarily agree that "gamers" have no appreciation for the arts but some definitely are quick to point out games that could qualify as such probably moreso because something about them stands out from the pack.  Though what about those games exactly "screams" at an attempt to bridge that gap?  Also reminds me of another game that is receiving support for this games as an artform direction, that being Heavy Rain.

ey yo check out how tricked outn i'm trying to be and how radically different i am trying to be to try to be really artistic and get the audience to feel something real legit by some concept that is really artistic such as one young boy trying to kill dozens of giants and the whole game is just that because it represewnts the theme of a young boy and the large obstacles humankind has to overcome and this wicked killer 7 artstyle and completely different gameplay control scheme because we want to make art over anything

sorry psyburn but killer7 rocked and let me just tell you that had nothing to do with the gameplay

psyburn what are you talking about? as opposed to what?

you're an aspiring film maker for pete's sake!

Rap music, though fairly young, is art.

Video games are not.

Hideo Kojima is a pretentious fuck who can't make a decent movie so he's in the video game industry where he can amaze amateurs and yet you're a fan of him, as I remember.

I think I finally have a definition of gamer that both casual and hardcore game enthusiasts can agree on:

Gamer {gey-mer}
-noun

a person that takes having fun far too seriously.

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I think we all forget to have fun sometimes! Like, if a game is dumb as hell but kind of fun, we'll often focus on the fact it's dumb as hell and forget the fact it's kind fun.

Hideo Kojima is a pretentious fuck who can't make a decent movie so he's in the video game industry where he can amaze amateurs and yet you're a fan of him, as I remember.

hideo kojima sucks dude how am i a fan of him i hate him don't make assumptions you frick

i dont get the GAMER HATE. i class myself as a gamer because i *gasp* like videogames a lot. i don't understand why that is such a taboo. i also read, am in a serious relationship, am going forward with my life, etc etc.

like, professional gamers, sure. and most "gamers" are douches, yes.

idk i guess its like vegetarian. because most are animal loving douchebags that protest eating meat, the ones that are actually normal people get the schtick too.

i dont get the GAMER HATE.

No, especially on a site called Gaming World, I'd expect some people to take gaming semi-seriously. If not, let's just rename it to Psy's Pretentious Emporium or something.

I think we all forget to have fun sometimes! Like, if a game is dumb as hell but kind of fun, we'll often focus on the fact it's dumb as hell and forget the fact it's kind fun.

I dunno. I am under the impression that most people do the opposite. They focus on fun but don't take a second to take a step back, look at it, and say "Damn, this game is dumb". Like, you know, Halo.