Bonzi, Vellfarre completely missed the fucking point.  I don't understand how this equates to 'a pretty good job of summing this up'. 

I'm not defending South Park or its creators, either, by the way.  I think it's just dumb that the FCC censored it because some silly blog with 20 members posted a pic of their mansion they probably found via Google image search. 

I'm pretty sure a lot of you read the poster's name before actually truly considering whatever the fuck it is they happen to be saying.  What does it look like in your head?  VELLFIRE - DANISH CARTOONIST FUCKING YEARS AGO

...I AGREE.

So basically only Bled and I have seen this week's episode of South Park and the rest of you are blowing hot air and have no idea what you're talking about.

the fcc also censors tittes and swearing so why the fuck do you care that they're censoring an image of mohammed?  they censor the other things because it's OFFENSIVE and they've deemed it inappropriate, maybe drawing mohammed is ALSO offensive to quite a few people???? (even if they aren't the DEATH THREAT group uh the rest of the muslims are still gonna be offended at you shitting on their religion!)

this is the absolute dumbest thing to be up in arms about if you're taking the "OH NO THE FCC" angle when we can show blood and gore on tv but not a single tit, who the fuck cares if south park is allowed to make a horrible joke or not when there are films out there that are actually FINE ART that can't be shown on tv unedited because of a goddamn mammary?

i'm glad that you seem to think i'm some person who people follow around and agree with 24/7, but i think what it really boils down to is the fact that you made this topic hoping everyone would bandwagon and draw their li'l mspaint mohammeds as if that was saving their freedoms and instead there was an actual discussion on why maybe nobody should do this

if we are protesting the fcc then this definitely SHOULD be the draw a dick topic, those aren't allowed on tv!

So basically only Bled and I have seen this week's episode of South Park and the rest of you are blowing hot air and have no idea what you're talking about.

that's EXACTLY right. that's some summary when i see one, goddamn beautiful work. every little comment small and big taken into consideration, not even a nick of detail left unnoticed. excelent deduction skills, thank you ed! bzsbrzstzstrbsbttr

Both episodes were fairly entertaining and I enjoyed them. But, it would seem to me that there are two separate issues here and they are being freely conflated with one another.

The first is the issue of the depiction of Muhammad. I do not think that this is the core one. The backlash against the Danish cartoonist a few years ago is commonly referenced, but there is a wide disparity between these two events. Westergaard was essentially picking on a fairly weak minority just to prove he could. In other words, while it is rather impolite to depict Muhammad I think the real issue was the rather unprovoked attack on an almost defenseless minority group that is commonly mistreated. In the case of South Park, things are a bit different. The South Park guys were rather reverential when it comes to Muhmmad, in fact they made a point of it. It was fairly clear that they were attacking Viacom and other television companies, not Muslims. So the response was fairly weak from Muslims, but strong from Viacom.

So, I think the more important issue is how Comedy Central handled it and then how the media presented the issue. In my view, Comedy Central’s reaction was almost a back handed attack on, not only the South Park guys, but the greater Muslim community. It stokes fears that Muslims are gaining political influence through terror, rather than the traditional routes, which are of course mostly blocked to them. Furthermore as the media searched for a radical group that was upset, they found one and turned a tiny web based group (that did not even make a real threat) and turned them into a representation of the extremist Muslim community (which in and of itself was a caricature) and in some cases the greater Muslim community. This isn’t a good sign.

I saw the eps, they weren't funny. That's a shame because the few before them were actually pretty decent I think, I watched em because of Total Boredom and I thought wow is south park actually ok now? Nope. These eps were their 200th episode thing so it was all just unfunny self references (and making fun of themselves making self references which I don't get). They knew they were going to piss of radicals who blow things up so why freakin bottle out after some totally predictable death threats. Trey and Matt are what salman rushdie calls his balls.

ps here's my mohammed

which 90s computergame is this from?

I do enjoy South Park. If you don't, whatever it's your opinion.

 I saw the episode and it was pretty clear they were at least trying to stir shit up, because that's what they do.

I do find this whole thing completley blown out of proportion though, and it basically just proves that extremist groups get pissed off at virtually everything (which we already knew) and that people like to do what they're told not to do (which we also already knew.) 

I will follow mass media blindly to the great Emmys in the sky. John Stewart bless south park

I understand the drive behind the "hey, lets draw Muhammad" push. It is just petulant "oh, yeah?!" at its best, which is fine with me, in fact there have been times when that has been my sole governing philosophy. To that end, despite the fact that I've made a point of never watching a single episode of South Park, I think I have a little cartoon in mind -

Okay, reiterating some points.

Firstly, again, I have not watched television IN GENERAL in over a year.  No news, no sports events, no paid programming, and not a single fucking episode of South Park.  I actually happen to agree with you OH SOUTPARK?  THATS   SO 90s!! people, as from what I've heard it's not really that funny anymore and, you know, I'm not 16 years old.  Not the point.

I also linked to Jon Stewart's little rant not because The Daily Show is the sole exception to my personal TV rule, but because aside from the 911 bullshit he actually made a couple of valid points.  From what I've seen in the past many of you guys used to prop him up as some sort of liberal media icon just like everyone else, so whatever.  MY BAD GUYS I didn't know all of a sudden you guys realized he's just another stupid personality.

If for once GW isn't going to bandwagon the shit out of some vague idea, or bandwagon SOME OTHER idea in place of the original because that's what groups of disillusioned 20-somethings do nowadays then okay!  I'm game.

The only point even approaching relevance to the original discussion I've seen is Vellfire's OH YOU ARE MAD ABOUT MOHAMMED WHY HAVE YOU NOT CAMPAIGNED FOR BOOBS FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS HUH.  And you know what?  I think I've actually realized that I'm a much bigger fan of boobs than Mohammed. 

So what now?  Draw Mohammed with boobs?  Draw penises with boobs?  Complain about the fact you were asked to draw something for a stupid cause and deliver some poorly inspired diatribe about it?  Have at it, kids.

What?

I like how because a group of people disagree with bled he gets all offensive and thinks that maybe they are ganging up on him or something. This has happened more than once and I do not think that it has anything to do with bandwagoning, you just think differently than a small majority of members that decided to post in this topic because they think this whole ordeal is stupid.

also I feel for you bled, I used to like the daily show alot too but then I quit watching it and I could see how the show could have turned off keel seeing as how its gotten so popular recently. South park is ok sometimes but its just a dumb comedy cartoon and I take it with a grain of salt because its often pretty stupid but its also supposed to be.

also lol at velfarre's steel posting