Three whole hours and not a LOST finale thread?

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#21 May 25, 2010, 06:36:28 pm

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Quote from: Ragnar on May 24, 2010, 09:35:20 pm

yeah I dunno a couple years ago I got THE LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN on DVD and that was pretty good but having it in my hands I didn't realize that it was only like 10 episodes long I think. Maybe 18 or something but pretty short and that's only 6 episodes a series/season I don't understand how british tv works

yeah most series in british television get 6 episodes per series unless it is LONG STANDING/EPIC DRAMA/PANEL SHOW but there is a lot of good british tv and big ass skelly doesnt know what hes saying (too busy working in the mines)

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#22 May 25, 2010, 07:45:46 pm

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Quote from: Ultimaweapon9 on May 25, 2010, 11:38:18 am

Yeah pretty much.

so you're totally okay with writers just pulling out bullshit plot devices that are simply only made possible by their "magical" powers of "convenience."

there's quite a difference between the suspension of disbelief, and just plain lazy writing

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#23 May 25, 2010, 08:14:10 pm

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Quote from: everyclear on May 25, 2010, 07:45:46 pm

so you're totally okay with writers just pulling out bullshit plot devices that are simply only made possible by their "magical" powers of "convenience."

Yeah, actually. I've always liked the characters infinitely more than the mysteries of the islands anyway, and in my opinion, they've never faltered in character development (with perhaps the exception of Locke's death, but in retrospect, I even kind of like how that was done now).

Quote from: Ragnar on May 25, 2010, 05:22:05 pm

it's like ~~a really retarded version of~~ Jacob's Ladder then

Lots of people got confused over the ending, but that's probably the best way to explain it.

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#24 May 25, 2010, 09:37:36 pm

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I don't understand, what were you guys expecting? When Jacob gave Richard his drink in Ab Aeterno, every one of Richard's cellular telomeres stopped shortening per DNA replication, allowing all cells to maintain optimal viability ad infinitum? You really wanted LOST to say THAT to the audience?

Look, the show is not a reality-based drama, it's sci-fi. Asking how the Smoke Monster became, is like asking how Frodo became invisible upon wearing the ring of power. The show is set in an open-ended creative arena, and to want tangible scientific rational explanations for the most irrational things is just foolish.

Yes, it's true that the mysteries were enticing, but you DID get answers to almost everything - but through mythology and not textbook science.

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#25 May 25, 2010, 11:10:43 pm

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well uh, providing some sort of scientific justification for fictional things is KINDA a staple of sci-fi. lotr is fantasy, lost is mostly just fiction with some sci-fi mixed in

regardless, you missed the point. I'm not sure anyone in this thread gives a shit about stuff like that, they just were expecting some sort of explanation (scientific, mythical, whatever the writers were in the mood for) for all those seemingly arbitrary things. but apparently they really were just arbitrary

also a lot of the loose ends they said they'd tie up were neglected

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#26 May 26, 2010, 02:12:54 am

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Matthew was actually trying not to cry when he was on Kimmel.

But the "omg they were all dead" was shocking and obvious at the same time.

Flashsidesways was a way for the survivors to meet again, Hurley was the king of the island for a long time, and soon passed on.

Great ending to the show, and it worked, even if they decided to go with the ending anyhow. They denied as much as possible, so we can go onto other theories.

Jack then went to the afterlife/sideways and forget things, then he was the last one to remember and everyone was happy. Except for some.

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#27 May 26, 2010, 05:25:15 am

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wow im pretty surprised anybody at gw what with it's high standards thinks this is anything but terrible. i netflixed all of the seasons right before the 6th season so i've been pretty up to date on the show as per the finale and i am pretty blown away by how terrible a job the writers did.

the purgatory thing was brought up in season 1 by fans and since then the writers have continually denied it so it's a bit of a slap in the face. i think it's common knowledge the writers didn't know how they would end the series ahead of time but the ending they gave negates alot of moments/episodes/scenes that we were led to believe would be pretty important, for instance, MIB putting desmond in a well and telling sayid to kill him. doesn't make much sense since he needed desmond to get off the island

i guess i really loved this show at the beginning which is why i am raging about it but even aside from ruining the rest of the series, the finale was an hour longer than it should have been. people on the island ran back and forth for literallty the first hour without doing anything. not sure if i should be angry because this is what happened on the island throughout the season. in the sideways the same thing happened over and over- person a meets person b, they remember they are in love and the audience gets a cry moment.

to anybody that watched only recent episodes, you really should go back and watch season 1. it's very good!

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#28 May 26, 2010, 06:22:34 am

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Quote from: Mongoloid on May 26, 2010, 05:25:15 am

wow im pretty surprised anybody at gw what with it's high standards thinks this is anything but terrible

you shouldn't be. just using names of lost fans from this thread, it's like if you made a topic about how good the hellboy movies are, then nemesis1972 agrees with you and ultimaweapon9 says wow I'm pretty surprised anybody at gw what with its high standards thinks this is anything but terrible. the whole gw high standards thing doesn't exist, people just have different opinions and will post them if they feel they can back them up critically or if they want to make a joke. this is not a bad thing

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#29 May 26, 2010, 08:06:38 am

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yea i don't really think gw has higher standards i meant that as a whole gw has a sour attitude towards most of these big deal shows (most shows in general?) and lost seems kind of an easy target

i was just being a smartass im not trying to start an argument

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#30 May 26, 2010, 08:08:59 am

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Yeah, remember how I said I wasn't disappointed because I figured it would be bad, I've thought about it... and over time, I've begun to hate it the more I think about it... because of my incremental realizations of the pretty big things they just never explained.

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#31 May 26, 2010, 09:50:16 am

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the ending they gave negates alot of moments/episodes/scenes that we were led to believe would be pretty important, for instance, MIB putting desmond in a well and telling sayid to kill him. doesn't make much sense since he needed desmond to get off the island

He didn't need Desmond to get off the island. He needed the candidates dead to get off the island. He tried by blowing them up in the submarine, but when that failed, he realized that with Desmond still alive, he could use him to destroy the island, which would inadvertently kill off the Candidates, again giving him the opportunity to leave the island. He can't kill them himself, just like he couldn't kill Jacob himself. He needs to accomplish these things through pawns. The bomb in the sub would not have gone off had Sawyer not pulled the wires, just HIMSELF activating the bomb and killing the others.

I found how amazing and far reaching some of the main themes of the show were. I just realized that Jack started off as the man of science and by the end of the show, became the man of faith. Likewise, WE, the audience, began the show as people of science, and by the end, as the creators intended I believe, to transcend into people of faith. That's why so much of the show was based on the mythology of the island, why so many of the QUESTIONS were indeed ANSWERED, but not in a scientific way that Jack wanted initially, but rather through mythology - and, like Jack, you needed to have faith in it to accept them as the answers.

The show also reflected heavily on, just life itself. Some of our greatest mysteries cannot be answered through Science. And when we try, we get vague theories, that are eternally complex and only justified by equations and beliefs in formulas - not through actual witnessing and believing (Big Bang Theory comes to mind). And what CAN actually be the answers to life's greatest questions? Well, faith again. And you need to believe, to be content with the answers.

The parallels to our lives. The themes that expand and encompass so much. I thought the show was beautifully done.

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#32 May 26, 2010, 05:06:12 pm

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Quote from: XxNemesis29xX on May 26, 2010, 09:50:16 am

I found how amazing and far reaching some of the main themes of the show were. I just realized that Jack started off as the man of science and by the end of the show, became the man of faith. Likewise, WE, the audience, began the show as people of science, and by the end, as the creators intended I believe, to transcend into people of faith. That's why so much of the show was based on the mythology of the island, why so many of the QUESTIONS were indeed ANSWERED, but not in a scientific way that Jack wanted initially, but rather through mythology - and, like Jack, you needed to have faith in it to accept them as the answers.

The show also reflected heavily on, just life itself. Some of our greatest mysteries cannot be answered through Science. And when we try, we get vague theories, that are eternally complex and only justified by equations and beliefs in formulas - not through actual witnessing and believing (Big Bang Theory comes to mind). And what CAN actually be the answers to life's greatest questions? Well, faith again. And you need to believe, to be content with the answers.

The parallels to our lives. The themes that expand and encompass so much. I thought the show was beautifully done.

This. I never really thought about it that way. Nicely done.

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#33 May 26, 2010, 07:34:59 pm

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#34 May 26, 2010, 09:20:07 pm

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wat.

No, they weren't even giving acceptable MYTHICAL reasons. Typically, fantasy worlds with magic and shit have some rules and boundaries to the magic that is usually based on something.

Lost just fucking left things... unexplained. Characters with little to no motivation to do the things they did. And characters that essentially served no purpose at all. So many arbitrary things. Now these arbitrary things would normally be OK. Sometimes they are necessary so that things don't become completely predictable but the show displayed these arbitrary things as if they were important to the overarching story.

The show has ended. And I'm happy it's over finally. But that is it. It's ending succeeds no where else.

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#35 May 26, 2010, 11:34:27 pm

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Quote from: Ultimaweapon9 on May 26, 2010, 05:06:12 pm

Nicely done.

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#36 May 27, 2010, 06:42:43 am

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Ah, just deal with it, many were butthurt by the ending, might not be as original, but it worked.

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#37 May 27, 2010, 09:36:53 am

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why 'butthurt'?

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#38 May 27, 2010, 11:11:02 am

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I would have liked to have seen Hurley and Ben run the island. That would have made better tv than the whole of season 6.

Cant help but wonder if the both of them lived on for a few extra hundred years running the island.
I know its over but I still find the mystery behind the island intriguing.

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#39 May 27, 2010, 01:39:56 pm

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^ We are going to extra footage of what happens to Hurley and Ben on DVD. It's a promise.

@Jamie only because the chosen theory of the sideways world of them all dead and having to move on

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#40 May 28, 2010, 07:40:58 pm

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Quote from: XxNemesis29xX on May 26, 2010, 09:50:16 am

I found how amazing and far reaching some of the main themes of the show were. I just realized that Jack started off as the man of science and by the end of the show, became the man of faith. Likewise, WE, the audience, began the show as people of science, and by the end, as the creators intended I believe, to transcend into people of faith. That's why so much of the show was based on the mythology of the island, why so many of the QUESTIONS were indeed ANSWERED, but not in a scientific way that Jack wanted initially, but rather through mythology - and, like Jack, you needed to have faith in it to accept them as the answers.

this is actually pretty solid, but the sad truth is it didn't come into play until "OOPS IT'S FINAL SEASON LET'S WRAP IT UP"
i mean jack didn't swap to the faith side until episodes into the last season, and when the backgammon thing turns out to be GOOD vs EVIL and then is revealed to be the theme of the entire show minutes from the end, it's not beautifully architect or anything!!! they made the shit up at the end; thats what bothers me.

if there had been even a little bit of any of the things they claim this show is about midway through the series and proven that they aren't just revisiting season 1 ideas to make it look like they had a plan, this would be an amazing show. (the adam and eve skeletions are the perfect example of their bs)

it really bores me also when people are impressed with the purgatory bit at the end because all they did was set up couples the way harry potter did at the end of the book series. seriously it was like deviantart-grade writing.
it's also a problem to me that flashes from the last season are made to be a pivotal part of the plot throughout the season because essentially they are saying "we wasted your time with flashbacks in the other seasons"

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