an army of noble savages fighting under the banner of the Learned Man
idk what you want me to say? sitting there thinking about that is not gonna make their lives any better right now. my pessimism lies in the COLLEGE BOYS who sit around masturbating to lovely phrases, not in the caricatured tools of your revolution fantasy

so what, you want to let everything get as shitty as possible under the current system in hopes that things will get bad enough people will rebel? anything positive stands in the way of revolution? capitalism is a given because that's the situation we have to work with, but this stuff would be equally important in a non-capitalist society. capitalism is barely even a constraint. really, if there is any urban interface that would function well in a society without capitalism, it's part of sustainable urbanism. like the fracture-critical garbage we've got going on now would hold up at all without capitalism!

do you guys think that capitalism is a fundamentally horrible premise now and forever?

yes

why

southern rap isn't inherently concerned with the acquisition of material possessions, and often when it is, it's as realism rather than as a glorification of the system. not that rap that's just about being a CEO doesn't exist.

southern rap isn't inherently concerned with the acquisition of material possessions, and often when it is, it's as realism rather than as a glorification of the system. not that rap that's just about being a CEO doesn't exist.

RSA videos: they're neat and i agree with the premises but i also don't see how Destroy Capitalism follows as a conclusion. the current form of capitalism, sure, but communism has gone badly in the past too. it's my gut feeling that the capitalist system can be subverted to change the capitalist system, much as copyright law can be subverted to create copyleft stuff. given the symbolic violence against emotionally fragile middle class dads inherent in Destroying Capitalism, ruining it for dicky investment bankers would be the better option.

How am I making a caricature? Aren't you the one that keeps making the vulgar characterizations? You're even doing it here, don't turn it around on me. Your immediate response to my suggestion that 'things can change quickly' was to lump all popular resistance in the US into the easy target of the tea-party mess. I don't think that's the case and it's a little insulting coming from someone who admittedly wants nothing to do with class struggle and derides it in favor of privately funded development projects. Hey, at least you're doing something right? It's like Ralph Nader says: "Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!"
I don't set myself above the working class and consider myself very much a part of it and don't consider my fellow workers as tools, so that dog won't hunt. Dismiss it as a fantasy all you want, but even a cursory overview of last century's history and what's happening around the globe today shows that it's a real material force in society.

I never said that. In fact I said that I can't knock it and think that they're good things: Neat, novel, a part of The Solution. What I'm pointing at are the limitations of your perspective that you seem to refuse to acknowledge. "Capitalism is hardly a constraint" is a statement that I disagree with strongly and I see it as something that's necessary to deal with. Just because you're pessimistic about politics does not mean they go away or play any less of a role in society and urban development. Even avowed reformists acknowledge this.

fuck I got all into this and I cant watch youtubes. Whats wrong with nietzsche? I dunno alot about him other than the GOD IS DEAD thing but the lil bit I read on wiki I somewhat liked a long time ago. Also I agree fuck capitalism hard

aby your condescending characterization the working class as the noble proletariat, ready to drop everything to support the learned man's revolution and behave exactly how you want them to. my response to your "working class" was never "well they're mostly part of the tea party anyway". the tea party is the loudest noise-maker we've had in years, and it extends beyond your abstract working class. it was intended as an example of how people aren't nearly as cut and dry as you seem to think: the homogeneous group of noble yet unenlightened working-class savages (hence the importance of the college boys, like listening to rap makes one cool with black ppl) versus the money-grubbing pigs

I acknowledge limitations, but not in the way you've presented them. as I've said from the beginning, it's a way of going under their noses and building something worthwhile, with or without their knowledge or permission. this does not change what's going on higher up, and I never claimed it would. I'd argue it sets up a stronger interface for combating capitalism but that's an entirely new subject that I have yet to write about.

another thing is you've been downplaying my goals as miniature privately-funded rehashes of things that you've already seen, like a green roof and pervious paved community garden, and that's not the case. I don't know if you actually do know what I'm talking about and are just trying to minimize my arguments, or if this topic I'll be making will reveal something relatively new to you. either way I don't plan on writing it about capitalism and class struggle, but rather as a permanent remedy for many of the ailments caused by capitalism as we know it and as an interface for expansion.

Wow this is still going on eh. Oh well, back to coding.