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mario 3 is like the worryingly almost futuristic-ally good NES game, in a sense that the controls are just too perfect for it's own good, like something out of SNES or modern indie era? doesn't help that all the colours are bleached out, you can actually sort of access the backgrounds or the obstacles in the game, hinting sort of detached feel and "everything is not as it seems"... strange disturbia or strangely hyper-realistic warfare or like nightmare-battleships of end fights... all "kings" are traumatizingly cursed... etc... etc... it's weird that you start out from nowhere, just clearing up these levels, then these "real-life events" sudendly prop out like some kind of nightmare. etc etc... ending is actually just mario sleeping, again speaking of some sort of dream/nightmare/subconscious-like quality? last level is literally HELL MADE OF WARZONE, i don't think mario 1 and 2 ever went THAT DEEP into the disturbia? so there's like this strange "real-life war threatening the fantasy world" theme going on. mario 2 and 1 are great too but for different reasons (which are admittely better). that too is part of the youth *laughs*.
 
i've admittely lost this capacity to deeply enter the "non-filtered" experience, lot of things happened, etc etc... but i actually suspect a lot of it has to do with being generally "busy" and getting too much feed of social media on daily basis (=hyperawareness) coupled with hectic social life, so it takes long times to actually become subconscious... just retconning on dat convo here which goddess started. might need to start experimenting with deliberate winding down excersizes. maybe i need to practise this again with ragnar?? maybe i need to sort out irl stuff and then start systematically do stuff like these once all is ironed out.
 
i have to say though, that i think what has changed for me as an adult actually functioning person, one who is actively part of society etc etc etc etc etc... is that i suspect that arts in general (or dumb topic, or feminiscience) sort of... well, not serve a function, or need to have a social aspect to it (on the contrary on that part),
 
but more like that you sort of need a reason or a certain "goal" when you enter that subconsciousness, because that time IS competing with any other actions in life too. it doesn't mean it's worthless though... it's just that the way things are is you are no more in high school or being an adult student etc etc, where you are sort of projectizing stuff, have endless energy and no boundaries and limitations, and in general stay very calm, subconscious and daydreamy all the time, neeeh?
 
im sort of musing here, from my personal life stuff... take no heed or seriousness on the light of this topic, im just echo-chamberin myself *empties a chamber-full of bullets on himself, people look shocked*. fuck it's goddamn nice to read and see this topic, you don't realize
how much that constant feed of stupid videos and opinions take a toll on your thoughts!!
 
EDIT: dirty little secret: i actually DON'T mean this post as your usual fucking "I'm Quite A Lady Now, grown out of stuff"! not hinting between lines "oh well, adult life comes first *smiles smugly*" shit, no. i'd say the more you get levels of consciousness as you grow up,the more ropes you gotta learn to use too... know what to do with your mind, too.
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so there's like this strange "real-life war threatening the fantasy world" theme going on
 
ugh I left a comment once on Pan's Labyrinth (the trailer I guess) but it was such a careless comment I think it came across as "Pan's Labyrinth world is real, illuminati 42 chicken fries" when if I had actually collected my thoughts, I just meant that the fantasy world of Pan's Labyrinth was probably compounded by the real life stress of this real-ass war going on in the movie. How mental illness already can be made worse by stress, what the heck happens to someone in this WAR. Like I think that musician Messianen is hella scary too, forget if they were in a POW or a full-on concentration camp, but either way SOMETHING happened to cause music like that
 
I'd have to watch the movie in full, I heard some elements of the dream/fantasy world are supposed to reflect the real world/Del Toro's commentary on Christian stuff (was Spanish Civil War Catholic in particular?) supposedly very little real world parallel was on purpose though except the Pale Man (?) preferring children over actual food (o shit ice burn)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_LGaK3oxIk
 
music is trippin me out
 
Edit: now see in spite of the 24/7 news behemoth telling everyone Russia=shit constantly, this is like Siberia I guess? And at least some Siberians have strong feelings to be active in protecting KOTs. Maybe they still have politics (I heard Russia hates the gays) but how much does politics really enter their lives and how much is like......... the siberian wilderness.... life...... KOTs
 
Edit: I at least know enough Cyrillic that it says "Russia", all that playing Goldeneye 64 control room + MGS3 Snake Eater area/zone names really payed off!!!
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one more furry thing, I hope it's been established at least some (many?) embrace the irony of such a thing (isn't this kinda weird) and some have a good bizarre sense of humor and friendly self-criticism without full on trolling. Or like maybe humor arises from the fact that it EXISTS and is 'a thing', like "cmon guys Hitler had to have had a fetish for those fancy uniforms". Like a David Lynch movie but the seedy underbelly of society turns out to be random surburbanites who are into balloons
 
Edit: maybe David Lynch's brain is kind of fucked irl, people maybe imply kinkyness irl and is eavesdropping and he jumps straight to conclusions about illuminati baby sacrifices when all the person was implying was balloons or fursuiting or cosplaying as Harley Quinn or having a robot dong
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I did one of those mini reviews on Bandcamp of that new snares album that's weird even by his standards
 
https://venetiansnares.bandcamp.com/album/she-began-to-cry-tears-of-blood-which-became-little-brick-houses-when-they-hit-the-ground
 
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DJ Saint-Hubert I alluded to synesthesia at one point or another, but really that's my feelings on Venetian Snares' music. It's only shocking because it's noisy and chaotic in the audio sense. How random is this compared to like the latest Call of Duty game in the scheme of things, if visual/audio noise were equals by society's standards? Or visual vs. audio stimulation? This kind of music is just holding the mirror up to society imo, or all it's really depicting is 'mayhem', the imagination does the rest Favorite track: He Was Shot By One Of Brian’s Children Holding The Cats Hostage In A Cardboard Box.
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To see a Bonzi post of such insight descend with my own eyes this very month... I'd be lying if I said I was not affected by this (postively i ean) From the mouth of babes, heh heh... Eh? (Talking to a baby cowboy in a desert... this must be a dream...)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=633GZVnKT_k
 
this is a weird fuckin' song
really good i think
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oh, dude, i think you're spot on re david lynch, he's just a huge indulgent pervert. His unreleased movie Ronnie Rocket, which has an AWESOME fucking adventure story script available for free, has like five (or something, FIVE BILLION) scenes of gross-but-sexy or just sexy chicks just flipping thhere tits out or trying to get it on with the main character. It has a really transparent mythology and I guess those scenes are complemented by this part where tits come out in a BAD, ABSTRACT way represent evil i thought it was a pretty affecting scene when i imagined it. i woudl fucking love to see it adapted.
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oh, dude, i think you're spot on re david lynch, he's just a huge indulgent pervert. His unreleased movie Ronnie Rocket, which has an AWESOME fucking adventure story script available for free, has like five (or something, FIVE BILLION) scenes of gross-but-sexy or just sexy chicks just flipping thhere tits out or trying to get it on with the main character. It has a really transparent mythology and I guess those scenes are complemented by this part where tits come out in a BAD, ABSTRACT way represent evil i thought it was a pretty affecting scene when i imagined it. i woudl fucking love to see it adapted.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWbOLMjPVCg
 
venetian snares attempted it thru music
 
 
but yeah like I was trying to make a case for Lynch being closet alt-right if I didn't say that, always equates the bisexual character in his movies with either plain crazy or serial axe murderer, "the straight story", even somebody claimed maybe the "Rabbits" short is supposed to be "Rabbis" and like projection of Hollywood film industry bitterness (if nobody understandz his art it's obviously Jewish hollywood conspiracy). And then Twin Peaks with the Black Lodge, literally just skewed version of the floor of a "lodge". Closet Alex Jones fan, final haunting film is going to be about Gay Frogs. On equal retardedness with Eyes Wide Shut (sorry if anyone's a Kubrick fan but at least admit to oneself that Kubrick was OCD and probably semi-autistic). Although Kubrick was Jewish though so extra irony levels....... Israeli trance music producer making a track called "Illumina" lol
 
but then other people think Transcendental Meditation in itself is Illuminati, the whole thing is fucked lol. Does Lynch believe quinoa gives u amazing 2012 maya/inca powers (NIBIRU remember that word) and he will live forever in a quinoa bomb shelter somewhere
 
like why I can't browse Ektoplazm anymore, for some reason some people I talk with think that like new age overly positive people are out of touch with reality in their own unique way from the conspiracy guys, but I'm pretty sure there's overlap of positive vibes and optimism with Illuminati paranoia (as contradictory/hypocritical as it is). Like for every 9 albums called "Divine Kundalini Energ" there's the one called "Secret Society" etc. I'm starting to respect people now who actually go out and join a hate group, as dumb as it is, they're putting their whole reputation out there and assholery out for everyone to see. There's probably plenty of weirdly intolerant people on the Internet but they wrap their precious egos up in layers of vagueness or like plausible deniability "I wasn't talking about gay jews, I was talking about shapeshifting lizard people..... honest" lol. One gay vibe from a Disney movie = all disney movies are illuminati and Walt Disney was Stealth Jew like that random Japanese site Salt World found that one time
 
no but I do think some of Ektoplazm's donations behind the scenes is like 'yes, I will donate fundz, you are giving this music away because u have seen thru the Matrix, real life is Deus Ex" flol. Just enough 'woke' vibes on the site to illicit donations from people
 
 
Edit: I am almost thankful for Trump on this level as like unintentional agent of chaos? Now random conspiracy people think it's ok and safe and COOL to bring the hate-oriented stuff to the forefront, the once semi-vague comments on an Alex Jones Youtube are now unsubtle as fuck and constantly shooting themselves in the foot, etc. even Trump shoots them in the foot by saying 'yeahg Obama's a pinko Socialist", dovetailing it with like McCarthy-type stuff which was just that time period's manifestation of paranoid assholery. Let's blast Venetian Snares Francis E. Dec song from the rooftops during Trump rallies, Trump supporters are confused and titilated how well it coalesces with their thought patterns. Doll Doll Doll, psycho-alpha-schizo-hypno-cryo-hypno groove is a joke on the thought patterns of redpill types
 
 
Edit: venting, but I am technically a 90s guy, and it's amusing that this stuff is coming to a head, and like again that word 'dovetails', dovetails nicely with some of the not-quite-racism not-quite-homophobia of the 90s, too 'modern' for anyone to consider themselves their own racist granpa, just manifests in more subtle ways like completely inaccurate demographics of New York on the average episode of Seinfeld, etc. (still probably better demographics than entire series of Friends though) Also I know for a fact, weird conspiracy books got published quite a bit in the 90s, and now like people can refute it on the Internet but back then that stuff had an air of legitimacy because 'wowza you got published???? this must be pure fact then'
 
Edit: but yeah I don't want to go into it, but I have personal reasons to be sick and tired of that sort of thing, not just a random beef I have with the internet
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To see a Bonzi post of such insight descend with my own eyes this very month... I'd be lying if I said I was not affected by this (postively i ean) From the mouth of babes, heh heh... Eh? (Talking to a baby cowboy in a desert... this must be a dream...)
 
this is a weird fuckin' song
really good i think
 
ahhah i imagine talking to a baby cowboy in the desert sounds like this song. whatta cool song!!
 
also sidenote there was goddess or somebody? in this topic having that anecdotal story of gushing about 0.5s super-chords in his choir practise, and that was heart-breaking & warming story?? You Are Not Alone friend... i know the sentiment/feeling/That Moment....
 
Edit: venting, but I am technically a 90s guy, and it's amusing that this stuff is coming to a head, and like again that word 'dovetails', dovetails nicely with some of the not-quite-racism not-quite-homophobia of the 90s, too 'modern' for anyone to consider themselves their own racist granpa, just manifests in more subtle ways like completely inaccurate demographics of New York on the average episode of Seinfeld, etc. (still probably better demographics than entire series of Friends though) Also I know for a fact, weird conspiracy books got published quite a bit in the 90s, and now like people can refute it on the Internet but back then that stuff had an air of legitimacy because 'wowza you got published???? this must be pure fact then'
just a random comment aside the point but for the sake of letter count in this holy topic: (the words i bolded above bold) yeah i've noticed that weird kind of ignorance in life, i think some books talk about this thing about esp. about milleniumals or post-milleniumals (sp? but i don't think it's these days contained to just to them),
where some things are so 'blasé' to even talk or consider about, that it's not even worth noticing or talk over? like "huh? why bother talk about it? that's obvious, that's normal. that's so unimportant to talk about in fact, that you are bit... weird or uncool to even bring it up". that kind of thing. it's a special kind of precious something, reminds me of trump supporters etc. weird how being "reasonable" can be super toxic in the world in a lopsides way. "wow you must be really fun at the parties" etc etc. imagine if dumb topic is just dumb ego-reaction video responses to each and every comment in here.
 
like, i bolded that sentence in the above quote, because it's like "i can't be racist, because i don't identify as such" -type of deal, where you don't consider the quality of your actual actions or reasonings in the world.
 
or "i'm one for the good guys, one for the peace" and then look completely 2018's SoMe 2.0 prince/princess-like annoyed and unimpressed when one points out that the guy hasn't really done anything to earn that kind of merit,
and may on the contrary have shittons of really bad actions in life in reality??
 
it's pr common these days that one's words/claims/reputation don't really match the output of the person, and it's prob super-contagious and toxic behauvior? think of "toxic fanbases" or "SoMe mob reactions, OK now i'm allowed to fuck somebody's life up for free cos im bored, yay!". etc etc.
 
think of this "woke-ness" type of terms and trends etc as an example, of how inadequate this stuff is even linguistically to address the issues and may even harm the cause etc... and you sort of feel this as dissonance and as "that's probably somehow wrong or toxic", but can't quite put it into words,
so you just sort of shadow-react tiresomely to stuff and can't quite put things into place / sort of shuffle it into one of those "modern experience"-stuff.
 
it's actually kinda anti-Steel (the old member here, RIP) type of deal, where bad members can post their dumb opinions on FF characters and everything is this endless stream of bad choices and nobody is forced to reason the quality or why they think the way they do... long live steel paladine. pretty sure steel talked about this stuff in his post-mortem-released book 10 good years before these politics had became a reality.
 
not meaning to turn this into a bitter tirade (sidenote's sidenote/sudden realization, i wish my posts would read more like old song lyrics, that'd be the coolest!) but it's interesting. i often find this "common sense" is really just that, common sense. a sort of supposedly mutually shared reality, a mutually shared common and average logic of the reality's inner workings.
 
i thought for many years and for the longest time that it must be me who is the weirdo here, but i sort of realized by painstakingly thinking over the years... and being in the situation so many times, where i go
"nah these guys know that they are right... everyone's immediately agreed at the same time that i'm thinking weird, now they are simply ignoring my comments... i've been socially shamed now... huh, i see, it's me who fucked up here and now... wow, shame on me... it's the end of the social world stuff, right here... fuck, better not fuck up this bad AGAIN, better ad-lib better next time" etc etc,
then later on my estimation astonishingly comes to fruition on 100% accuracy and i regret that i should had just trusted my own rationalizing to avoid the bad scenario
= incompetence of your average joe's reasoning is normal, manage your expectations on others, etc.
hence i'm sorta cool with the "mob-reactions" and don't take it too personally dizdayz, 'just flip my cool shades on and put dat hand back on the steering wheel of my desert trip car. who da thunk that progression and progressiviness/growth in personal life is a real thing even dis lade inna age?
 
actually i just now realized!!!!! this is specifically a cavarly rally-support to goddess17 who has to suffer thru the average's in the choir, sonny it's not you who's fucking up there and then, it's the others even if they socially elicit that "this guy is embarrassing and weird" - response!!!!! Hang In There, Snoopy/Sloopy!!!! keep dat hand steady on the steering wheel of your long-term thought progression!!!!!!
 
EDIT: on the positive note. post became one fell 'm'whoop'ka-ZING of modern day bullshit thoughts buuuuuut it wassa accidental, im much more wabisabi than i let on... Top 3 Bonzi's Anime Betrayals... it's been burdenin' my heart! please understand! but let's get back to cool dumbtopic shit and asocial stuff, neeeehh? i gotit off. i feel lighter.
 
EDIT: Ragnar dunno about you but i'm techni 90's too, and i felt living that time sort of suffocating? everythings trying to make wild faces in 90's "fast" shades, flips fingers, ok so theres some cool technicolours etc fractals etc etc ragnar consciousness stuff. it felt polarizing i guess, like "here is this super-permeating/suffocating times with all weirdness being sactionized by big something and all these expectations/norms, and here i got these weird NES videogames showing me that world is super weird and richer than it seems. there is something bigger and better out there, somewhere...". which lead me to GW after getting excited about JRPG's (FF7, FF8 -> the wide-spread release of old console emulators and being exposed to FF4-6 on SNES -> "I can do this too with MSPaint!") as a teenager. videogames literally were the woodstock of  the 90's and probably far more WILDER  societal change that anything that happened since 70's? at least they tap into wild psyche and force you to go through these berserkly weird words and feminiscientic experiences, stuff you wouldn't had otherwise as a kid in early age. not to turn this into "those were the times, now kids these days..." sort of bullshit but i do realize how super lucky / oddly fate or chance-like it was? imagine how many factors had to be fullfilled to make that weird shit happen by corporate dudes making products anyways...? also prob somehow saved classical music world heritage and this is One Weird Unspoken 1 Home Tip Homemoms Know Of.
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lol I will try to respond
 
I think the difference between SaltW and the rest of the internet, is we acknowledge secrets and mystery in old media as like the schoolyard stuff it once was (also fuckingf disgusting guy in grade school actually said "beastiality" was a kind of finishing move in Mortal Kombat, dear God, I fear the one gullible kid in that class that had internet access). But you know, "Mew is under the truck" type stuff. I swear like everyone but SaltW, their brains broke at some point and maybe it's even like BOREDOM/MALAISE motivating them, but in any case I swear even stupid shit like mew under the truck took on some sinister deep meaning, or like people couldn't handle a certain amount of stimulation from media
 
but yeah the saltw version of mysteriousness is just GOOD HYPE/basis for random bursts of creativity, I doubt it's anyone's worldview behind the scenes, on this forum. And I still think the Japanese vidcons growing up, mystery themez weren't taken at face value either, they were just good juicy theme for a fantasy game. Traditional definition of "fantasy" as NOT REALITY lol. "Final Fantasy", right in the game title saying "do not take this seriously u moron"
 
but yeah also elements of old Gamepro magazines, freaking Bonk RPG that never came out besides for like two overexposed photos taken on an oldschool CRT tv..... like were the photos intentionally crappy for XTRA HYPE. But yeah I think SaltW acknowledges, also if old horror movies were weird, because they replayed shots of film and like "ok this will never look super HD or anything.... let's just exploit dat crappy film quality" why no movies are scary anymore, as well. Lo-fi and mysterious video quality were just an exploitable quality of the media back then. There were probably people who took that show Unsolved Mysteries as pure truth, dear God. It was just, this sort of aesthetic that was only possible in the 90s and they milked the crappy 90s quality, doods
 
Also the irony is it was a Catholic school growing up, they like tried to sell us on backmasking bullcrap (Stairway to Heaven in particular) so I know some of this stuff was traditionally Christian hysteria, but now like people are at least trying to be new age retro hippie if not hip atheist but still projecting Christian neuroticness from the 90s. It's basically the same as going "my racist granpa/nun teacher from grade school afraid of new experiences/media was right, videogames do cause violent (sp) and convert people to devil worship". Don't you guys REMEMBER the beginning of Secret of Mana? History doomed to repeat itself, or something along those lines
 
 
Edit: I will link Unsolved Mysteries for context, it's important to know there was stuff like this in the 90s
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwgAYPQ2-s&index=44&t=0s&list=PL6z47_uEFA5J94iMWgOXfyqCZgJLAUDZA
 
not that, I think it was the one crazy dude (as opposed to everyone and their grandma) who took this show seriously back in the day, and I think it was mostly supernatural ghost story stuff, but I also remember like the FOX network would have like random specials about UFOs and shit and anybody sensible knew it was just hype for a new season of the X-Files (Chris Carter turned out to be an Alex Jones fanboy most likely)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PuGISzsMnA the first like 20 seconds, lol
 
 
 
it's just, I hope u guys realize DJ Saint-Hubert music is mostly skeptical behind the scenes and like I guess the further you get into any form of art, it's either you distinguish fantasy from reality /more/ or buy into your own art and think it has some deep meaning? If there's any political message to my tunez, it's got to be that, that the human potential for myth-making, myth-building runz deep. I was really just playing up the atmosphere of old Warp Records type stuff which I knew was just the usual 90s hype/mysteriousness/basically traditional capitalist record label but with an air of mystery to it. Nowadays Warp doesn't even like PRETEND to be not capitalist, the new Autechre thing is like 8 hours of music and is being offered as an LP set for $160.00? dear god. At least u can enjoy the minimal joyless Designer's Republic album art from the comfort of your home (Better IDM Homes and Gardens). I mean /whatever/, but they better not pretend they're going to do a pay-what-you-want business model /very soon/
 
 
Edit: but yeah it's kind of scary thinking what DJ Saint-Hubert type music would do to some brainz, I swear some people can't even handle DARK MIDI STRINGS without thinking the musician is xposing backstory of secret cabals, much less full on detuning or a weird time signature. But that's kind of the point of my music at the same time, people have weird bizarre aesthetic comfort zones where like any outliers are satanic or some bullshit. Again it's being the intolerant granpa afraid of rock n' roll
 
Edit: one more, 90s psuedo health book aesthetic was fire
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPLWptXhRI
 
this guy is actually a commercial right now, it's like, even if it's meant to be taken seriously, it's too hyperreal and postmodern 4 me
 
 
Edit: but yeah I swear we're at this point now because no critical thinking taught in schools + X-Files and Unsolved Mysteries permeating 90s pop culture + the rise of infomercials and the obvious gullibility of some of the population needed to sustain infomercial culture
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also I agree with bonzi about videogames were woodstock of the 90s, I dunno kind of maybe. I made some snarky comment somewhere that woodstock stuff only has the special place in peoples' hearts as trippy because color film was starting to be introduced maybe? lol..... like whoa the drugz are kicking in whoa it's even COLORIZING THE FILM mang...... no but I think on some level people are lazy-brained idiots and think like reality was literally colorizing around that time. Just like Saving Private Ryan is real reality and World War II was constantly desaturated and gritty
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but yeah the point I wanted to drive home is, u can never know if someone is just good at art stuff , and what I said about the line between fantasy and reality becoming more defined, and people can be like 'whoa that guy is really out there' but it doesn't have to entail actually taking the fantasy element at face value, it could just be good skillz at working the fantasy/reality distinction
 
I also said something elsewhere about, Wesley Willis is like real life crazy people music but it's kind of just weird pop music, there's a lot of technical trickery you can do to make the music sound 'unreal'. I don't even think most people pick up that the music loops at some point if the time signature is weird enough. And then that 'horror vacui' concept, you can intentionally make the music 'busy' beyond normal people's expectations of music, and just by that action you might fuck up people's capacity to take it in as a normal musical narrative. And like subverting expectations of pattern recognition, etc.
 
Edit: re: time signatures, as weird as that recent Venetian Snares album is, the title track, he just totally gives away the time signature of the track with this farty-sounding kickdrum. You just wait for the next fart kick and you can detect that the next bar or whatever has started. He does this in several songs, gives away the time signature/loop point with some glaringly obvious sample trigger
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did i post too long?? i become this impossible obstacle that MUST be replied with. you don't FUCK with me *sudden aggressive steroid voice w/ compression splitting like in baby police*
 
i meant that post in a more macader (or whatever that oldish word is) way, not very self-serious entirely but guess just not very well put together either (which seems to be my normal level these days lol). well this is not to deflect your thoughts or criticism either tho, im just embarrassedly aknowledging my incapacity 4 posts *laughs* I wish Dumb Topic had "European Extreme" mode of it onna click of button???? don't we all wish I had one on me
 
i think (with a bags of salts. with "bonzi buddy's!! toxic!!! hand at your own risk!!!" label on them!!) lot of "great arts" are sort of anti-dumb topic, in a sense that they often manage to convey exactly what they were meant to convey, while dumb topic stuff is all about this miniative of details that are sort of there, but which just go unnoticed or unexplained, or just dismissed/explained wrong? it's all very light hearted. that, too, is part of youth. *laughs* *interviewer laughs* thank you, bonzi-zan. think of those japanese composers who somehow love generic jazz fusion with very celebrative sound or chord progression etc but because it's done in NES soundchip it comes off really weird and interesting + mindblowing?
 
you are right that you can really fake a lot of that stuff but there's them levelz to diiiis stuuuufffff. it's as u say tho.or actually now that i think of it maybe dumb topic has a LOT to do with great arts?? raw visceral unfiltered experiences etc etc. sometimes you get the coolest shit like prince's ballad of dorothy parker (a song) that goes on to influence earthbound soundtrack, but then again sometimes you ain't up to anything so intense or complex/intricate later on? like maybe sometimes you feel like the need to hit the sack both figurivate and literally (??? horrible impressions flash in readers imagination), tone down on the weird/abstract meter, and sort of mellowly accept dem eazy liztenings on somewhat similar meterz than the super stimulative aggressive ones? whops i totally fell of the wagon on this thought, i probably meant that maybe as one ages and get expertise in music and "knows how to press those weirdness/dumb tpic buttons", then maybe it changes things for better? you don't stress so much over genres or "great art" or "is this super important or not" or "is this fitting into the dialogue of now, but somehow pushing it into some directions" etc etc... but sort of focus on "well, is this relevant to me? is this relevant to my emotions or my personality? i'm not looking into gettin' bucks from young guns from this, so maybe i could relax a bit. what's in it to me? do i like this?".
idk if you can't tell ragnar i'm just once again sort of braintape freeflow easy-writing (maybe literature has "easy listening" category too? "easy writing") this, don't worry too much about cohesion. my thoughts/theories etc are a continuous process for me & i haven't written literally for anyone in MONTHS. again, to not to deflect your criticism or thoughts or shaming you outta this thought-game. i'm actually hella uncertain what to and how to write myself? *quietly stares into distance thoughtfully while chewing on continuously on something* but i sure as hell did enjoy those 4 months of ragnar + rest of cool guys past 4 months, soooooooooo please forgive my accidental pushiness etc weird stuff affelctions hints dissonances etc, imma try fit in.
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Yeah I'm not very good at counting and that's the only way I can follow some V Snares songs is by waiting for the big gabber kick he puts smack on the 1 of each bar. Lol i think he might've done it a lot on meathole.
 
 
 
Re: games I've been thinking lately the big mysstery hole behind them is that we didn't make ENOUGH GAMES. Like people all acted like holy shit, they're so many games coming out, how could gamers ever get tired of this!!!!!... but in retrospect there are only a few thousand. (Like with beetles being the most varied species irl, ignoring phone games, where there are like 10 billion that nobody will ever play) Games are expensive and take a long time to make. But the popular trends was always towards cinematic -> i.e. REALISTIC quality, sure you'd get people going "i want a game that looks like a cartoon" (-> Shitty cel shading) but on the whole you only had this very short time period where people were willing to be limited by their styles. We only had like ten years before the norm became to not even try to stylize things, why bother? you don't need to. after discs everything just becomes about cramming in boring and gritty details and taking away anything that could be called Gay or Weird by the gamer markets which are suddenly much more... teenage than before. There was such a short time for people to be forced to make it interesting, so by the time they got really cheaply done and any child could make a weird one with a regular consumer setup (2000s)
 
It's crazy to think how complex the factors are surrounding video games and how it turned the ones that got made into what they are, for instance -> when a game is released or even just HYPED for release it creates its own audience and copycats, so the journalistic and civilian rush to predict and "conduce" games was/is like a giant behemothic rotating weapon that totally chaos-theoried the future of countless gamers differently, seismically with every slight interest in Dragon Quest.
 
I like talking about yknow the OVERARCHING PATTERNS OF SOCIETY... I KNOW ABOUT CULTURE... I AM NOT A NO NOTHING.... but really I just like stuff like gaudy colors and noisy, complex stuff. Not saying it makes me understand anything better, I like not understanding things. I like getting confused and awestruck by unexpected shit and I don't really like laughing at funny/fragile stuff in conflicting situations, I think that shit is really powerful and affecting. Like seeing stupid cartoon characters run through these elaborate woes like they're literary. I think it's like, it's easy to write that off as alien nonsense with no impact on the world, but I think everything ends up sticking in people's minds and changing them in ways they don't realize that even very meager weirdness actually changes the world away from where it was, into a parallel future nobody could have dreamed up on their own. As in, you think surrounding yourself with stupid jokes is fine, until you realize everyone else has been doing that too for ten years and you've accepted a certain level of fakeness into your life. Okay this is ending up stupid but eventually I'll get to the bottom of it.
 
and it's fucking rubbed (what??? fucking???? is he really angry now??? no way.... I love thinking about this stuff and it makes me happy - but this is the language I would have used had I been able to talk about it when I was 13) fucking rubbed my mind raw that I - not I alone, but everybody who like slightly outre or "not allowed" stuff - have had to spend my whole life CONVINCING people that I'm not trying to... upset them or show off or whatever. I don't understand what lots of people see in regular boring tv shows but that doesn't make me want to mock them and hurt them, I don't think I'm smarter or anything for not liking the same stuff, I just want to be left alone and allowed to say dumb unpopular things are actually important. And it's made complicated by the fact that ALSO, I absolutely DO enjoy showing off how cool my tastes are, or dumping on people who can't handle an out of tune song or whatever, so I can't 100% deny that I am immaturely motivated by other people and being performative, just like they are, I'm not fully achieved in my development towards perfect consumption of only things that push my life towards utterly self-actualized, undesiring nirvana of media. But I really do not want to sound like I'm complaining, like oohhwwooooh I'm sooooo fucked up, on the contrary, part of becoming an adult was realizing how common these feelings are (I found a whole forum of people thinking like it didn't i?) and how easy it is for me to push them (i meant propagate, but i could also mean push like find out how far they keep working...)
 
I might've mentioned already but I was talking about Nidhogg 2 with some total normie nerd, who had played the first and loved it, so I spun it as "the sequel changed up the art style and made a lot of people mad, but I like it" and went on to say because: not only because I like the weird squishy gross monster texture everything has, but on the conceptual level because it has the balls to be garish (colors and texture) and Outta nowhere, regardless of the series I support that, and on the other conceptual level of it DID make people mad, and I have to nominally support any media that pisses off vanilla pricks by being too left field. I only used a few of those words, but he totally agreed with me. I didn't need to preface it with anything. Lots of people are willing to like stuff if they first meet someone who tells them it's good instead of laughing at it and hating it. Like the hippie scene, the X Files / Roswell conventiongoer scene, the sphere of US military brats, Magic: The Gathering players, rock and roll, Christianity are just these islands in culture where it's considered cool and interesting to treat certain very stupid things with utmost respect. Or like GG Allin, refusing respect, makes people refuse you respect in a sad way to try and take back control. All it takes to get sucked into any of these groups is to have the necessary culture in you, culture like a bacteria, that some existing reward is willing to cultivate. These might come from people, the rewards of being agreed with and having your opinions extended and clarified by those who mine different veins of the same Great Experience (i.e. ragnar and bonzi...) or from hypothetical people from e.g. writings on the internet, daydreams, people you'd like to meet, or fear to meet. Love...
What is it?
Most natural brain killer what there is... LOVE.
 
 
edit: Jesus... too much, man... Thinking about it again it's like... mostly just "weirdness" is insanely undervalued by society -> all too often we're scared of it or we laugh at it so it can't touch us in the heart. But I know personally that if you open yourself to crazy stuff and let it affect you like it wants to you get a much fuller experience from the world. Every mistake becomes beautiful and it's not like you need some bizarre mental rewiring experience to do it, you just need to chill out and stop giving credence and belief power to the traditions of thinking about minutiae.
 
edit2: I generally read a Bonzi post and it gives me a bunch of furious ideas that I write down and then it turns out they're sort of missing the overall focus of what you were talking about - and I wouldn't have it any other way
 

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The whole prominence of the "cuckold" insult is just proof positive the vast majority of historical conflicts resolve to Not Getting Some. In fact what with the provenance of human beings being what it is you could look at it as, every problem ever was because somebody didn't not have sex.
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I'm joking about this, but I'd place money on it being depressing how often it would prove to be true.
 
edit: Sorry for being gross. I haven't had a good game to contribute in ages! And I only just heard that Prince track now, it's so great! I can't believe the entire Earthbound soundtrack has such an exacting timbral precedent like why hasn't that sound been ripped off more then? (beyond that collab album with the Earthbound soundfont) Or have I just not heard it (more likely)
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I'm joking about this, but I'd place money on it being depressing how often it would prove to be true.
 
edit: Sorry for being gross. I haven't had a good game to contribute in ages! And I only just heard that Prince track now, it's so great! I can't believe the entire Earthbound soundtrack has such an exacting timbral precedent like why hasn't that sound been ripped off more then? (beyond that collab album with the Earthbound soundfont) Or have I just not heard it (more likely)
 
there was like a soundcloud or bandcamp account or both, that was like ambient freeform Threed music, I'll try to find it again
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edit: Jesus... too much, man... Thinking about it again it's like... mostly just "weirdness" is insanely undervalued by society -> all too often we're scared of it or we laugh at it so it can't touch us in the heart. But I know personally that if you open yourself to crazy stuff and let it affect you like it wants to you get a much fuller experience from the world. Every mistake becomes beautiful and it's not like you need some bizarre mental rewiring experience to do it, you just need to chill out and stop giving credence and belief power to the traditions of thinking about minutiae.
 
I dunno if it's so much people are unopen to weird aesthetics/discomfort in aesthetics as much as, it has become memeified and like missing the point? Like everyone knows "old fogeys didn't like rock and roll (because too noisy or whatever)", but everyone considers they have like the memetic nature of being a 'rocker' as one's True Identity, without considering the basic concepts at play/first principles of rock and roll having been "other" at the time. Like perhaps human history is in reverse and we come into life as granpas, afraid of new experience, but everyone considers themself of the 'rocker' archetype without any sort of internal conflict having led to 'rocker' status in the first place. But the actual inception of rock and roll in the first place involved a perceptual phenomenon where it was embraced as more than mere chaos? If you were 90s kid and it was already on the radio constantly there was no sort of trial and error in which one came to embrace rock and roll
 
Edit: either that or like misidentifying one's aesthetic discomfort zones, ultraviolence is touted as ultimate edginess when that battle was already fought in like 1995 with mortal kombat. I think it was a good point that the real final frontier of videogame edginess is 'too gay' for the general audience
 
 
Edit: David Bowie is occult bisexual (oops)
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we were talking elsewhere about decent artists/musicians whatever who turn out to be shitty people in real life/the separation of art from artist
 
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but yeah like people like, to be fair people want CONSTANT ENTERTAINMENT VALUE, and like without consequence/people being weird in real life, probably obvious in retrospect the Chris Farleys and Artie Langes of the world were total cokeheads. It ties into instant gratification bullshit to me (the people who want a good entertainer unconditionally, not Chris Farley himself). Like almost they want the coke vibes without the risk of actually doing coke. Yall cowards won't even smoknk crack
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