With all due respect, I'm actually rather surprised you still don't get this after all the discussions you've been in.
Vellfire even partly explained it in the quote you're replying to. Genocide is awful too but it's not lopsided against women like rape is, nor is it used as a corrective tool to control women, and it's not something women live in constant fear in. It's something that specifically reminds women of rape culture, of the fact society considers them second-rate citizens, of the fact a lot of men don't really care about their rights or their private space or whether they say no.
Rape jokes are a celebration of all that by people who are completely ignorant of all of the above.
Alight. You're right. Remember though I was never so much DEFENDING RAPE JOKES so much questioning whether they were worse than murder/genocide jokes. I can see why it is considered worse. But my utter fear of death in my mind makes it hard for me to consider rape worse. But I am an oddball. I don't actually know many people that say they fear death more than rape. Some people even think death will be what they want when they are older or whatever because most people seem to think they will get sick of life eventually. I just don't fall into this category.
Its odd though I generally enjoy video games where you kill people. Though when given the option in games like Metal Gear Solid and Deus Ex for instance I almost always try to spare people.
It's about systematic oppression. Misogyny is deeply systematic, it's not just about individuals irrationally hating other individuals on the basis of biology, it's the framework that exists inside society that fosters misogyny that's the real problem. That's why misandry doesn't exist, because that framework exists only for the purpose of disenfranchising women, not men. Any exceptions that exist are minor and marginal.
OK, but see, I also don't even really think that misogynists, when they cry Misandry, actually are thinking there is a systematic hatred against men. They just think there are people that hate men (a misandrist?). Or at least I would think so. Because yes, its pretty obvious that their isn't a systematic misandry. I find it hard to believe that there are many people who think so. Why is the word "systematic" left out in he first place if it is so inherently important to describing the problem?
You should always say systematic before pointing to misogyny. I think this would clarify things.
Whether you think it's a useful tactic or not, it's really up to women to make decisions on how they choose to fight their oppression. Sure, that doesn't mean men can't try to advise them in some way, but I'm very reluctant to do that because there's always a large discord between what I know and what they know. I'm not an expert. Maybe if you study the issue thoroughly, read a few books and get involved in the activist scene, you can do that, but otherwise I really don't see the point. With respect, not saying this as a way to sabotage your opinions, but you guys really don't know a thing about these issues. I don't know much about these issues either, and I have done a lot of reading.
Like I said, I understand this is a problem that I have (that I don't know much about this particular topic) but feminism issues aren't the only issues I think this is a poor method. Like I pointed out Dietcoke's Kill all Capitalists thing. (Though now that I think about it, Geodude has been doing it more than DietCoke lately)
I just don't think this is a method worth going for for any cause.
It's also pretty typical, really. You'd be surprised at how easily men have something to say about feminism without really knowing much about it. Although I'm sure you have the best intentions, this is one culture biases. That's why, during the debates on women's healthcare issues in the US, something like 80% of the people talking about it on TV were men. They even held an all-male panel on the issue during a Senate hearing, even though none of those men will be affected by what they're discussing. Men are just sort of expected to know better, even if they're not experts. Sometimes we really just need to step back and let women sort out the things that affect them.
Wait, if they were economically based discussions, TECHNICALLY, it would effect them. Though yeah not nearly as much as it would effect women. I think think this is more because there are probably more male politicians in the US. (IDK if this is true but it certainly seems so)
dada has pretty much said everything i wanted to say on the matter but i wanted to mention here that kill all men isn't a response only to rape jokes, it's a response to patriarchy in general
OK then. I probably should have figured as much.
just wanna add to this btw and say that there is no MURDER CULTURE like there is rape culture. look at the stats re: rape convictions. rape isn't taken seriously. when someone is murdered we ask "why did this person kill them", when someone is raped we ask "what did you do to get raped" (if we even believe that they were raped, which is half the battle for rape victims). rape is a crime where EVERYTHING is put upon the victim and most of the time the victim isn't believed at all, because we have a misogynist culture that supports rapists. the reason rape isn't okay to joke about and murder isn't as sensitive is because we already have a culture that takes murder seriously. rape is not even comparable to murder in the way it's treated by society, and that's why it can't be equated with something like murder.
I guess because if you ask "Why did you rape this person?" the answer is (at least according to ignorant society in general) to be obvious? But yeah I see where you are going with that.
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