OK, Here is a question. Probably the most important one for THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC and how its quickly branched into sexism and feminism topic. What should be done about this book? What is the the best end goal?

Maybe this is just the way I think but I am a detail and goal oriented person. What needs to be done ABOUT THIS BOOK. Or is the answer nothing? Is this just a topic for us to discuss how bad the book is or something?

Do any of you think "Fifty Shades of Grey" should be banned? Should people who bought it feel guilty for buying it? Is that even something we should concern ourselves with? IS this direct harm from this book being in print and being so popular? Is writing a book like this the equivalent of being a male hitting a female?

Because to me a lot of this isn't actually going anywhere. I actually suspect that all of this conversation has ill defined terms mixed in.

At most this is a largely subjective discussion on what people's attitudes towards this book should be. It comes off as insult and anger pong.

it's also cool that for once a pop culture trend acknowledges that women enjoy sex and suddenly it's this huge deal making it a 'viral' sensation / the end of civilization, whereas thousands of terabytes of porn and trashy erotica have existed for men for centuries without anyone batting much of an eye about it

Who do you guys think will direct the movie

lars von trier, david cronenberg, david lynch and the ghost of federico felini

is girl, boy, woman, & man better?

I understand why using the terms male and female are considered dehumanizing. They are largely considered technical terms and are often used in scientific papers, government forms, and lawyer speak. But... but I like technical terms... they seem more... EXACT or something.

I also should clarify, when I say banned, I'm referring to either legally (which I believe can only happen on the state level, in the US, and only ban the SALE of the book) or "socially/culturally" banned. Which people do anything outside of legal power to keep the book out of people hands?

I don't really like either form because at their core they are censorship. But I am curious about Salt's thoughts.

america is a crazy place driven my hyper sexual consumerism, we desire the sexy whipcrack of domination from our dracula overlords,

more like everywhere is driven by hypersex consumerism

woah woah hold up....hypersex....#hott

lars von trier, david cronenberg, david lynch and the ghost of federico felini

its the only way

.Girl only if she's early teens or under for sure

how about .......girlfrennnnn

(i was born with 3 X chromosomes. name: __vin_diesel__)


actually lets burn all books. humanity does not deserve the beautiful valleys of parchment and babbling brooks of ink that is mayan fembotlit

I understand why using the terms male and female are considered dehumanizing. They are largely considered technical terms and are often used in scientific papers, government forms, and lawyer speak. But... but I like technical terms... they seem more... EXACT or something.

very foucault...

Also, Male/Female terms are very "neutral" sounding (this just came to my mind).

But yeah when I look at any issue I separate myself as best as possible from any of my more direct experiences related the discussion of important topics unless I just cite something merely as an interesting story rather than something conductive to progress. So yeah, I don't directly relate to the "males" or "females" in my example in my post. I fail to do separate these experiences many times, but I still try. My direct experiences are anecdotes. They are piss poor as a justification for pretty much any real change.

Also,  peoples minds DO generally auto-dehumanize anyone outside of their circle of peers/authority/dependents. In fact, its considered weird by most people to humanize people that are out of your circle and have no relation until you meet them and get to know them.

Example, if you read a long list of dead soldiers names and were told they died yesterday and then were reminded that your friend from high school got drunk and drove off a cliff and killed himself 20 years ago you'll be more mentally effected by the story of your friends death.

This is me self-analyzing my own post sort of. Trying to determine why I subconsciously used the terminology that I did.

very foucault...

Which one?
Wikipedia:

• Jean-Pierre Foucault (born 1947), French television host
     
• Léon Foucault (1819–1868), French physicist
     
• Michel Foucault (1926–1984), French philosopher and historian
  

(there was a forth, I left him out for obvious reasons)

Actually, I should say, detailed and personal anecdotes are about as useful as undetailed and unsourced statistics. Maybe a little more useful depending on the context.

I don't think that attitude is helping tris. Fuck all indeed.


[ /COMEDY]

i have no intention of helping, i'm here for my own benefit

Which one?
Wikipedia:

• Jean-Pierre Foucault (born 1947), French television host
     
• Léon Foucault (1819–1868), French physicist
     
• Michel Foucault (1926–1984), French philosopher and historian
  

(there was a forth, I left him out for obvious reasons)

~One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others. By the time I finish my song?~

I figured it was the philosopher and historian. but I didn't want to just assume.