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#41 August 01, 2012, 03:23:07 am

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Group psychology dictates that it's really hardwired into everoyne to feel as one with a group - nation. Think aobut it, when there are groups (student groups, orgs, etc.) we assosciate with them and be proud with them. Nation is just the same but on a much larger scale, removing the concept of nationalism is removing the concept of being in a group which is almost impossible for humans to fight agains since it's instinct.
Also, while in the topic of nationalism I think we should differntiate it from patriotism which is the blind love for country - in other words, stupid version of nationalism.

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#42 August 01, 2012, 08:21:37 am

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Quote from: earlchip on August 01, 2012, 01:21:07 am

your conception of oppression and your values aren't the same as everyone's, and idk on what grounds you could establish yours are right for the entire world and theirs aren't, or how you could peaceably convince them. that's typical western bias!

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What on earth makes you think I'm going to dictate what others should do? Can we discuss something for 3 seconds without you accusing me of being a fascist?

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Hundley

#43 August 01, 2012, 11:53:07 am

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just want to say that michael phelps went to my high school so i was profoundly disappointed that he won some more medals, in large part because it's a rotten shame that his accomplishments are starting to overshadow the accomplishments of the greatest person who ever went to my high school: The Great Glenn Milstead. also because everyone i've ever talked to who knew him(he was three years behind me, so i never did) said that michael phelps was a lousy human being, undeserving of anything but the most invasive of stds. possibly idle jealousy, or maybe separate cases of rabid glenn milstead advocacy, but i haven't needed a lot more to root for the chinese or the russians or really anybody who can float for half a minute to beat the hell out of him. guy's got the stupidest face on the planet.

FUN FACT THO: all the people with a stunning inability to make quality life decisions at my high school had such a fucking raging hard-on for michael phelps that they actually got the address of the school legally changed from 69 Cedar Avenue to - AND NO I AM NOT JOKING - 69 Michael Phelps Way. eventually someone ruined the joke and explained what this implied and they changed it back, but it was pretty cool getting the periodic useless piece of spam mail from my high school with 69 MICHAEL PHELPS WAY stamped proudly on it, in the moment i glanced at it and snickered before throwing it vigorously into the garbage.

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#44 August 01, 2012, 12:05:13 pm

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Quote from: Hundley on August 01, 2012, 11:53:07 am

just want to say that michael phelps went to my high school so i was profoundly disappointed that he won some more medals, in large part because it's a rotten shame that his accomplishments are starting to overshadow the accomplishments of the greatest person who ever went to my high school: The Great Glenn Milstead. also because everyone i've ever talked to who knew him(he was three years behind me, so i never did) said that michael phelps was a lousy human being, undeserving of anything but the most invasive of stds. possibly idle jealousy, or maybe separate cases of rabid glenn milstead advocacy, but i haven't needed a lot more to root for the chinese or the russians or really anybody who can float for half a minute to beat the hell out of him. guy's got the stupidest face on the planet.

FUN FACT THO: all the people with a stunning inability to make quality life decisions at my high school had such a fucking raging hard-on for michael phelps that they actually got the address of the school legally changed from 69 Cedar Avenue to - AND NO I AM NOT JOKING - 69 Michael Phelps Way. eventually someone ruined the joke and explained what this implied and they changed it back, but it was pretty cool getting the periodic useless piece of spam mail from my high school with 69 MICHAEL PHELPS WAY stamped proudly on it, in the moment i glanced at it and snickered before throwing it vigorously into the garbage.

this is the greatest story ever.
also I did not know DIVINE went to your high school!! you are 100% correct that this is a much better legacy to remember than GUY WHO SWIME IN WATER FAST.

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#45 August 01, 2012, 12:05:26 pm

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Glenn Milstead is a fuckin' real life hero fuck Michael Phelps

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#46 August 01, 2012, 12:33:59 pm

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Quote from: Dada on August 01, 2012, 12:05:13 pm

also I did not know DIVINE went to your high school!! you are 100% correct that this is a much better legacy to remember than GUY WHO SWIME IN WATER FAST.

i probably never mentioned this because it's only recently that i found out that john waters, divine, and their work is actually pretty well known outside of baltimore. i always kinda thought it was more of an underground thing. maybe it is, i still really don't know. they filmed parts of serial mom literally a block away from my house, so i'm really too close to this to fully know how well-known it all is.

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Faust

#47 August 01, 2012, 01:00:05 pm

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FIRST GOLD TO TEAM GB!

I predict 5 at the close of business on Friday

(i am optimist)

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#48 August 01, 2012, 01:32:18 pm

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i guess that's pretty bad, huh? france already have 4. too much chicken tikka and strongbow...

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#49 August 01, 2012, 01:40:45 pm

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Hehe, well any medals is an achievement really. Like it sucks that s bigger deal isn't made about Bronze - you still have to work really hard to come in third!

GO FRANCE though apparently lol. I need to check how many Italy has now also.

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#50 August 01, 2012, 01:41:22 pm

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Quote from: Hundley on August 01, 2012, 12:33:59 pm

i probably never mentioned this because it's only recently that i found out that john waters, divine, and their work is actually pretty well known outside of baltimore. i always kinda thought it was more of an underground thing. maybe it is, i still really don't know. they filmed parts of serial mom literally a block away from my house, so i'm really too close to this to fully know how well-known it all is.

Also wtf!? Serial Mom is a RAD film!!

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#51 August 01, 2012, 02:08:53 pm

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ahaha divine went to hundley's highschool. that's great

Quote from: Dada on August 01, 2012, 08:21:37 am

Sigh.
What on earth makes you think I'm going to dictate what others should do? Can we discuss something for 3 seconds without you accusing me of being a fascist?

um I really don't know what you're talking about. you said that the goal was to "end all oppression" which is obviously based upon your values and not those of minority nations or cultures. this is something that virtually all of us do, not just you. it's a real problem that affects the entire world. especially so with globalism. I'd prefer if we could discuss things without that being brought up. don't be rude

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#52 August 01, 2012, 02:41:46 pm

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Quote from: earlchip on August 01, 2012, 02:08:53 pm

um I really don't know what you're talking about. you said that the goal was to "end all oppression" which is obviously based upon your values and not those of minority nations or cultures. this is something that virtually all of us do, not just you. it's a real problem that affects the entire world. especially so with globalism. I'd prefer if we could discuss things without that being brought up. don't be rude

You know I've had tons of discussions lately with all sorts of horrible people, and racists and misogynists and apologists for Western imperialism, but nothing they said riled me up the way your stupid, presumptuous comments are doing right now. At least they were responding to what I said, and not to what the voice inside their heads was telling them.

I never even gave any details, and yet you're making these grotesque assumptions about me and what I think, and then denouncing me based on those assumptions. And then you patronizingly assure me not to worry too much about that obvious personal flaw because "we all do that". I don't know what exactly it is you're thinking of, but it's entirely inside your own head, and I'm well aware I don't make the decisions for other people in distant societies.

Believing that illegitimate power centers that exist largely to oppress people should disappear has absolutely nothing to do with forcing your values upon other people, and it's really pretty stupid to just assume by default that this is how I feel about it.

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#53 August 01, 2012, 04:27:37 pm

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Quote from: Dada on August 01, 2012, 02:41:46 pm

You know I've had tons of discussions lately with all sorts of horrible people, and racists and misogynists and apologists for Western imperialism, but nothing they said riled me up the way your stupid, presumptuous comments are doing right now. At least they were responding to what I said, and not to what the voice inside their heads was telling them.

I never even gave any details, and yet you're making these grotesque assumptions about me and what I think, and then denouncing me based on those assumptions. And then you patronizingly assure me not to worry too much about that obvious personal flaw because "we all do that". I don't know what exactly it is you're thinking of, but it's entirely inside your own head, and I'm well aware I don't make the decisions for other people in distant societies.

Believing that illegitimate power centers that exist largely to oppress people should disappear has absolutely nothing to do with forcing your values upon other people, and it's really pretty stupid to just assume by default that this is how I feel about it.

Maybe he's trying to say something about cultural relativism and that your idea of oppression might be someone else's happy day or idk.

By freeing others from oppression you are actually oppressing their freedom to be oppressed!!!Q!

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#54 August 01, 2012, 04:54:07 pm

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I don't view the idea of a border-less 'world identity' that all the people on earth can feel part of is absolutely unattainable, even with our evolutionary biology geared against it.

I just view the entire issue as a classic catch-22 example.

Until people can generally dispel the notion of nations and work together as a single entity, we will never pool our resources/knowledge and make the collective leap required to significantly colonize space.

And the ONLY way we can ever dispel the notion of us being different because of our geographic location on earth, is when we are able to finally put people on the moon. That way, those of us on earth can collectively separate the identity of those moon-folks from us earth-folks, and be an entire world united through our earth-pride and how much we hate the nation of the moon for not being earth.

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#55 August 01, 2012, 05:40:35 pm

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So the only way we'll be able to unite as a single Earth-group is to have a Moon-group to otherize? Life's a bitch.

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#56 August 01, 2012, 06:13:47 pm

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Well, until we encounter another alien race, we will probably have a reason to separate ourselves from what ever happens to be the 'other humans' be it other families, neighborhoods, cities, counties/states/providences, countries, continents, planets, solar systems, galaxies, universes, or multi-verses.

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#57 August 01, 2012, 06:25:08 pm

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That's kind of what i was talking about before. I mean culturally we will always act the way we do, until we come upon another race. Of course the mentality will remain, it will just shift from viewing nations as "others", to viewing the aliens as the "others". If anybody thinks the entire population of Earth will be super jazzed about aliens showing up regardless of what they want they are wrong. And if the aliens are non-humanoid or extremely different (like piles of jelly, or some kind of anthropomorphic intelligent gas) there will be no hope.

But I don't mean to sound defeatist or pessimistic. It's just that sitting around wishing we could get rid of these divisions so everyone can be happy will never happen and would never work. It's just basic human nature. What would be nice is if everyone just recognized the differences in our ideologies, and everyone could understand that different economic and social policies work for different people. I'd like it if our nations were just different combinations of policies, so if you're liberal/liberal you could move somewhere that had very liberal social and economic policies.

Although to be honest, I think socially conservative policies are wrong. I don't think there's ever been a nation in the history of civilization that had very conservative/anti-progressive social policies that was successful. Society is always, in general and on average, progressive. The only times humans haven't been progressive we ended up with european middle ages (The Dark Ages) and crap like that. Though I can definitely see the merit in both liberal and conservative fiscal and economic policies.

yes coulombs are "germaine", did you learn that word at talk like a dick school?

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#58 August 01, 2012, 06:37:49 pm

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Quote from: Dada on August 01, 2012, 02:41:46 pm

You know I've had tons of discussions lately with all sorts of horrible people, and racists and misogynists and apologists for Western imperialism, but nothing they said riled me up the way your stupid, presumptuous comments are doing right now. At least they were responding to what I said, and not to what the voice inside their heads was telling them.

I never even gave any details, and yet you're making these grotesque assumptions about me and what I think, and then denouncing me based on those assumptions. And then you patronizingly assure me not to worry too much about that obvious personal flaw because "we all do that". I don't know what exactly it is you're thinking of, but it's entirely inside your own head, and I'm well aware I don't make the decisions for other people in distant societies.

Believing that illegitimate power centers that exist largely to oppress people should disappear has absolutely nothing to do with forcing your values upon other people, and it's really pretty stupid to just assume by default that this is how I feel about it.

whatever, I don't really know what you think I'm saying or understand what irritated you. belross pretty much got it, though it's a level beyond cultural relativism. I don't think I made any assumptions, and my response is just based upon what you've said right here. just to be clear nothing I said was a judgment of character or makes you look bad imo.

maybe this is where the problem is: it's not necessarily about personally forcing anything (though it could be), but it is necessarily about the rolling boulder involuntarily flattening everything it its path

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#59 August 01, 2012, 06:52:33 pm

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Quote from: goldenratio on August 01, 2012, 06:25:08 pm

What would be nice is if everyone just recognized the differences in our ideologies, and everyone could understand that different economic and social policies work for different people.

exactly. the fact that there are differences is not the problem, the case-by case conflicts themselves are the problem. many of them are ancient and no longer have anything to do with the original reason they started. of course it's much more complex than we make it sound, but the point is that differences and diversity are good, and possibly necessary/unavoidable. in any case, we know how people react when they see their culture and their way of life being erased, inadvertently or otherwise

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#60 August 01, 2012, 06:52:49 pm

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What is the bigest barrier to a global homogeneity?

p.s. I could give two shits about the olympics, even though I live in the same god damn borough it's in.

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