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I don't think this is the place at all. This topic is about info for people who do drugs, not about announcing your current high. If you had been tripping, on the other hand, I'd certainly love to ask questions about what's going on...

Then when I finally do start tripping, i'll let you know. Until then tho... well, let's get back on topic shall we?
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want to tell us what you're actually on?

by the way, for those who experiment with the magic mushrooms, and lsd, how would you compare the two 'trips'?

lsd i find controllable, but mushrooms sends me nuts..

and if you really want to lose the plot, and head west, add some ketamine to your nose while tripping.... seriously i had one of -the- most intense trips ive ever experienced.. i just lost all control... which was fun, because its more intense that way

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i would STRONGLY disagree with calling lsd horrible, in my experience with both myself and others on LSD, its one of the easiest drugs to have a bad trip on. Also it is much more influencial on your cognitive/logical thinking. Acid melts your mind.
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i really do not see how you can have a bad trip on lsd.

your mood affects your trip.

stay in a good mood.

if you start to spiral, tell someone, and either move to a new location, or start interacting with nature.

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Then when I finally do start tripping, i'll let you know. Until then tho... well, let's get back on topic shall we?
Oh man sorry. I thought you had just smoked weed. I didn't know people used the term 'high' for anything tripworthy. Sorry man, what're you on? Please post, I'd love to hear about the effect of anything that makes you trip.
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i really do not see how you can have a bad trip on lsd.

your mood affects your trip.

stay in a good mood.

if you start to spiral, tell someone, and either move to a new location, or start interacting with nature.


Most people (anyone?) don't have the ability to consciously and completely control their mood even on a day-to-day basis and that's not even taking into consideration the fact they are on a mind-altering drug that can easily dig up repressed thoughts and ideas.

"if you start to spiral, tell someone, and either move to a new location, or start interacting with nature."

...I don't even know what to say to that. I mean, yeah, setting does play an important role, but it's not as simply as 'interact with nature and you will instantly be happy.'
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want to tell us what you're actually on?

I believe I specifically stated it was marijuana.
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I believe I specifically stated it was marijuana.

You didn't.
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You didn't.

You are right.
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Most people (anyone?) don't have the ability to consciously and completely control their mood even on a day-to-day basis and that's not even taking into consideration the fact they are on a mind-altering drug that can easily dig up repressed thoughts and ideas.

"if you start to spiral, tell someone, and either move to a new location, or start interacting with nature."

...I don't even know what to say to that. I mean, yeah, setting does play an important role, but it's not as simply as 'interact with nature and you will instantly be happy.'

well then i speak for myself then, if i start playing with trees and running around, my mood instantly lifts, if i make myself think happy things, smile alot, then again, my mood lifts

if i sit there thinking "this is shit i hate this" then ill start to go downhill...

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So I did 5-meo-DiPT two days ago (and later on the comedown some cannabis and when that had faded I tried ketamine).

That shit is fucking weird, and I didn't really have a good time. It was rather unpleasant for the most part and I was forcing myself to think good thoughts which actually did work but since it comes in waves I'd have a hard time thinking good thoughts when peaking.

Anyway it was pretty cool after smoking cannabis, in which the visuals returned and I was able to look at the weird effects while being high.

5-meo-DiPT is pretty hard to describe, but DIMENSIONAL SICKNESS might be a good way to describe it. Time & space pretty much mean a lot less and you feel you're drifting inside additional dimensions. It's really hard (impossible?) to explain to anyone that has never done psychedellics but it caught me by surprise.

I only did 15 mg so it wasn't really that much of a deal but enough to send me TRIPPING and at times confused by the whole dimensional rift.

As for ketamine I did 50mg which didn't really do too much. I got relaxed and movement felt weird but that's about it.

edit: Oh yeah, 5-meo-dipt changed the audioscape somewhat. I'd often hear harmonic singing in songs where that has only one singer, so my mind pretty much ADDED both singers and instruments that weren't really there and it enchanted the music to best fucking ever. All music sounded GREAT while on 5-meo-dipt.

edit: Oh yeah, 5-meo-dipt is the same as FOXY in case anyone uses that name (erowid lol).
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So I did 5-meo-DiPT two days ago (and later on the comedown some cannabis and when that had faded I tried ketamine).

That shit is fucking weird, and I didn't really have a good time. It was rather unpleasant for the most part and I was forcing myself to think good thoughts which actually did work but since it comes in waves I'd have a hard time thinking good thoughts when peaking.

Anyway it was pretty cool after smoking cannabis, in which the visuals returned and I was able to look at the weird effects while being high.

5-meo-DiPT is pretty hard to describe, but DIMENSIONAL SICKNESS might be a good way to describe it. Time & space pretty much mean a lot less and you feel you're drifting inside additional dimensions. It's really hard (impossible?) to explain to anyone that has never done psychedellics but it caught me by surprise.

I only did 15 mg so it wasn't really that much of a deal but enough to send me TRIPPING and at times confused by the whole dimensional rift.

As for ketamine I did 50mg which didn't really do too much. I got relaxed and movement felt weird but that's about it.

edit: Oh yeah, 5-meo-dipt changed the audioscape somewhat. I'd often hear harmonic singing in songs where that has only one singer, so my mind pretty much ADDED both singers and instruments that weren't really there and it enchanted the music to best fucking ever. All music sounded GREAT while on 5-meo-dipt.

edit: Oh yeah, 5-meo-dipt is the same as FOXY in case anyone uses that name (erowid lol).

Man, that sounds pretty awesome. Where did you get it?
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I have a supplier that has a lot of research chemicals.

If you live in Canada you can easily get it legally. I won't post a link since it's illegal in most countries, but try googling around (and I also don't have the link and too lazy to ask the guy who gave it to me for it). There are a few research chemicals sites in Canada that ships around, if you do get onto one I'd recommend doing a 2c-x drug first (2c-b is a really great drug, very visual and not too much mindfuck (some, but nothing alarming)), because 5-meo-dipt is pretty heavy imo! Half of my trip was what you could consider a bad trip and I won't recommend that, because it was really shit. :(

But the parts that were good were fucking great. Actually, I don't think it should be a problem to take if you just make sure you have some cannabis available. The euphoric nature of cannabis will surely make it good in case you're feeling anxious.

edit: As for ketamine, it should be easily available from anyone that sells rave-drugs. It's pretty popular in Europe. In Norway it's mostly in powder form, I think it's more often in pill form at the other side of the pond but not really sure.
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I have a supplier that has a lot of research chemicals.

If you live in Canada you can easily get it legally. I won't post a link since it's illegal in most countries, but try googling around (and I also don't have the link and too lazy to ask the guy who gave it to me for it). There are a few research chemicals sites in Canada that ships around, if you do get onto one I'd recommend doing a 2c-x drug first, because 5-meo-dipt is pretty heavy imo! Half of my trip was what you could consider a bad trip and I won't recommend that, because it was really shit. :(

But the parts that were good were fucking great. Actually, I don't think it should be a problem to take if you just make sure you have some cannabis available. The euphoric nature of cannabis will surely make it good in case you're feeling anxious.

edit: As for ketamine, it should be easily available from anyone that sells rave-drugs. It's pretty popular in Europe. In Norway it's mostly in powder form, I think it's more often in pill form at the other side of the pond but not really sure.

I do live in Canada.

Does 2c-x have any properties similar to amphetamines? Also cannabis gives me panic attacks. I try to avoid anything that has increased heart rate as a listed effect.
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I have never done any amphetamines (unless MDMA is considered one?) so I wouldn't really know.

2c-b is the only 2c-x drug I've done and it's pretty much a very visual psychedellic although there's also a spiritual side to it at higher doses (about 20-25mg nasally). I'd recommend (that might be illegal so nm) a 20mg nasal dose of 2c-b to anyone, because it is pretty euphoric and won't fuck time/space-perception and the spiritiual side is always more or less under control. Once you get past 30mg nasally there's a growing risk of having a bad experience (mostly linked to the heavy bodyload which is pretty strong at 20mg+ doses. Although at 20mg it pretty much vanishes after 40-50 minutes).

But yeah, at 20mg it's colours, wall-breathing, geometrical shapes all over the place. It's really beautiful. Best drug I've ever done (I've only done a handful but still).

edit: Also I used to have panic attacks when doing cannabis too, but I've gotten used to the physical effects (I used to hate them but now I really like them) so unless you've already really done an effort, I'd say keep doing it. Around my tenth time of doing cannabis I started noticing the physical effects really hard and each time I smoked between the tenth and twentieth time I was having a shit time because I feared the physical effects were signs of my body fucking up. But I decided that it wouldn't fucking beat me, because the times before I started noticing it I had REALLY enjoyed it (euphoric as hell).

edit2: Also 5-meo-dipt has similar physical effects as cannabis has, while 2c-b only has a bodyload. So if you get uneasy by the whole FEELING BLOOD FLOW etc then 5-meo-dipt might be pretty scary (yeah I'll admit it I got really scared by it, but I fought through it, and  I think I'll give it another shot one day).
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i really do not see how you can have a bad trip on lsd.
your mood affects your trip.
stay in a good mood.
if you start to spiral, tell someone, and either move to a new location, or start interacting with nature.

That is very dangerous to say.

Having a bad trip can be the result of a multitude of things (or even a combination of them), and its not always as easy as "grab a buddy" or "think happy thoughts". Even experienced trippers can have one. Also, if you're on enough of a dose (or are effected enough by it), you may not even be able to rationalize where/who your buddy, or that you're even having a bad trip, or that you're even on drugs.
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Does 2c-x have any properties similar to amphetamines? Also cannabis gives me panic attacks. I try to avoid anything that has increased heart rate as a listed effect.


I haven't done any 2c's but I'm interested in 2c-b, but I have done amphetamines and from my research I don't think they're much alike. It's more like MDMA/Mescaline from what I've heard.

The only problem is that it's not a big recreational drug in Australia so I'll probably have a hard time finding it. I'm assuming it's illegal here (as everything seems to be) and I'm guessing due to that the chances of it being in any medication are quite low.

EDIT: Was wondering if I could get some DXM help? I'm assuming this one here will be fine: http://www.chemistdirect.com.au/robitussin-200ml-p-8314.html?source=myshopping&mt_typ=9060 but I wanted to make sure just in case. Also, I'm on an SSRI and I'm fully aware of the dangers of Serotonin Syndrome occurring, but I would still like to try it. I'll only go for the first plateau my first try, which might seem a bit wussy but I think is advisable given the medication I'm on. The reason I think that I'll be okay is I'm on a standard dose of an SSRI (20 mg daily of lexapro) and I'm only planning to try DXM twice (or once if it doesn't agree with me). If anyone has had an experience with SSRI's and DXM I'd really like to hear about it, and if my assumption that a combination of a standard SSRI dose coupled with a first plateau experience will be safe is wrong then please let me know. I've been fine with large amounts of MJ/Alcohol in the past, and various other drugs (although nothing crazy), but I do realise this is a different situation and I'm completely willing to back out if I'm at risk.

Also, is there any reliable way of extracting codeine from painkillers? I'm assuming there's no easy way, I just wanted to try it but paracetamol is none too good for your body at high doses.
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Better to be safe than sorry. DXM is definitely not worth dying over.
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Better to be safe than sorry. DXM is definitely not worth dying over.


I'm inclined to agree that nothing is worth dying over, but at this dose it seems the worst I'll get is bad nausea and the sweats if I'm unlucky.

I need to look into it more - I've asked my GP in the past about it and he said there should be no problem, but that was of course talking about regular doses of Robitussin.

Thanks though.
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Here's the DXM faq:
http://www.dextroverse.org/faq/dxm_faq.html

Couldn't hurt to at least read a few of the sections you're curious about.