Garou: Mark of the Wolves & Melty Blood: Act Cadenza Ranbats!

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for real though, i wanted to start it off simple, see how long it took, see how many partcipants we had (had 9, LT was afk too long, and 2 people I invited were too busy....could of had 12 ;<) etc.

When the next season (which would probably start a week or two after XMAS) rolls around, it'll be changed up quite a bit.

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#45 October 19, 2007, 09:21:35 am

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maybe we can toss in a round robin style thing after the matches, to get people to play a bit more?
then instead of only 4 rounds MAX for a person to play, its about 8-9 rounds for each person!

i regret seeing so many great players show up that wont get to play much :\

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#46 October 21, 2007, 02:43:12 am

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Results:
1st: DarkNecrid (won all 8 fights)
2nd: Tie between Raziel, LordTyphoon, MaD who all won 6, lost 2.
3rd: Tie between NinjaPirate and Xorcist who both won 3, lost 5.

Updated first post with current standings of points.

Last Edit: October 21, 2007, 04:23:45 am by DarkNecrid

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#47 October 22, 2007, 11:51:26 pm

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what happened to the points from the first ranbat?

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#48 October 23, 2007, 01:02:16 am

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what do you mean

i took the points from this one and added it to the points from the first.

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#49 October 24, 2007, 02:22:12 am

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also, as a reminder to everyone : feel free to record all or some of your ranbat matches. if you think you got a particularly good one, send it to me through PM or IRC and i'll capture it and upload it on my youtube account.

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#50 October 24, 2007, 10:55:40 pm

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Let us talk for a minute about... bail outs.

I would like to have this issue a 100% resloved by the next ranbat this Saturday. If you are unsure of the issue at hand, let me elaborate. There are times when a person will show up, and for one reason or another leaves mid tourney. Either their connection drops, or they decide the need to get to sleep for an event the next morning, or whatever. Point being they played against some people, and not others.

Where is the issue you ask? Let's take a three player scenerio (Players A, B, and C). Since these ranbats are round robin, Player A may lose to Player B, a couple minutes later Player B bails, but never got the chance to play Player C. So Player A fights Player C and loses. Player A now has two losses, and Player C has what? Exactly... that's the issue.

Now during the last ranbat, it was quickly decided that if a player bailed, any player he hadn't fought would get automatic wins (sort of like a forfeit). Which in the above example would give Player C two wins? yet he only fought one battle? Why should Player C get free points while Player A takes a double loss? Quite simply it's not balanced, it works against those people who genuinely fought and lost, while at the same time grants others freebies for doing absolutely nothing.

It's my opinion that if a player bails, we all get winning points against him reguardless of whether we fought or not. This puts a penalty squarely against the person who is bailing (so they can't just bail last minute and have nothing count against them). At the same time it doesn't take away or give advantage to any of the players who stuck around.

Post your agreements, disagreements, and suggestions; and let's decide how to handle this in the future.

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#51 October 24, 2007, 11:13:24 pm

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Quote from: Xorcist on October 24, 2007, 10:55:40 pm

Let us talk for a minute about... bail outs.

I would like to have this issue a 100% resloved by the next ranbat this Saturday. If you are unsure of the issue at hand, let me elaborate. There are times when a person will show up, and for one reason or another leaves mid tourney. Either their connection drops, or they decide the need to get to sleep for an event the next morning, or whatever. Point being they played against some people, and not others.

Where is the issue you ask? Let's take a three player scenerio (Players A, B, and C). Since these ranbats are round robin, Player A may lose to Player B, a couple minutes later Player B bails, but never got the chance to play Player C. So Player A fights Player C and loses. Player A now has two losses, and Player C has what? Exactly... that's the issue.

Now during the last ranbat, it was quickly decided that if a player bailed, any player he hadn't fought would get automatic wins (sort of like a forfeit). Which in the above example would give Player C two wins? yet he only fought one battle? Why should Player C get free points while Player A takes a double loss? Quite simply it's not balanced, it works against those people who genuinely fought and lost, while at the same time grants others freebies for doing absolutely nothing.

It's my opinion that if a player bails, we all get winning points against him reguardless of whether we fought or not. This puts a penalty squarely against the person who is bailing (so they can't just bail last minute and have nothing count against them). At the same time it doesn't take away or give advantage to any of the players who stuck around.

Post your agreements, disagreements, and suggestions; and let's decide how to handle this in the future.

i kept it the way i had it for that ranbat simply because i was ill, and didnt want to go back and change everything i recorded previously dude, ok?

this one and all the followings will be everyone he played / will play gets wins

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#52 October 25, 2007, 12:21:50 am

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Quote from: Xorcist on October 24, 2007, 10:55:40 pm

yeah, that's what i was saying on irc on saturday night but i guess dn was sick/too much of a dick? to change it last minute.

if you bail, it's your fault. you're too tired? tough shit. your connection sucks balls that night? yeah i guess that's sort of a dick move but it's not like you could have played anyway!

since losses do not amount to -1 point, there's also no VERY BIG loss on the part of the guy who bails so i guess it's a little fair that the people who DID get a loss against him are compensated in a way for playing a deadbeat match.

Last Edit: October 25, 2007, 02:27:31 am by Raziel

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#53 October 25, 2007, 01:35:35 pm

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The only thing I would probably add is that if you know your connection sucks up front, you can always choose not to play in that ranbat. And thus not being on the roster means no one is going to get extra points for you bailing out. But as soon as you agree to play, you're obligated to play everyone, or take a universal hit for bailing mid-tourney. So it may be wise for people to test their connections out a couple minutes before the match-ups start.

The only other option, which might be a little more fair to people to genuinely lose their connection (i.e. meaning they didn't want to bail, but did against their will) is to only count matches that take place. So in my three man example from my last post, Player A would get zero points (0/2), Player B would get one (1/1), and Player C would get one (1/1). But this of course would require some more in depth calculations, as at the end of the series people will all have different ratios based on the number of battles they actually fought. So it's probably not worth it to pursue this method for the current tourney (obviously a person with a 1/1 ratio shouldn't be able to top a person with a 99/100 ratio).

I'm just throwing this stuff out there for people to consider and think about for future tournies etc. I'm not knocking anyone for the last ranbat, but it is nice to have a clearly defined method of handling these types of situations. Because as unfortunate as it is... these things do happen.

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#54 October 27, 2007, 10:12:51 pm

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So I got a pad.

I'm gonna suck tonight.

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#55 October 27, 2007, 10:58:34 pm

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Got good news... and bad news...

let's start with the bad, I'm not gonna make it tonight... (that may actually be good news for some of you)

good new is, it's for a good enough reason. Got me some Halloween Honey on deck.

Don't wait up for me.

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#56 October 28, 2007, 02:37:12 am

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20 minutes before ranbat and DN isn't even online

get the fuck on IRC

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#57 October 28, 2007, 03:57:18 am

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Placings for this ranbat:
1st: Goat (Won all 5 matches)
2nd: LordTyphoon (Won 4 out of 5)
3rd: Raziel (Won 3 out of 5)
4th: DarkNecrid/DeadPhoenix/Man-O-War (Won 1 out of 5)

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#58 November 03, 2007, 11:59:57 pm

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Okay so here's the deal about ranbats right now:

Along with the Garou ranbat, I've decided to run a weekly Melty Blood: Act Cadenza for PC ranbat. The game has VERY GOOD netplay (better than Kaillera P2P imho) and is a generally very good game.

So here's the deal about this ranbat, it'll be run on Sundays starting 7 PM EST and it'll use the same format as the current one we use for Garou (single match, round robin format). Games will be arranged through IRC so be sure to connect to irc.whahay.net and get on #capcom. Since this ranbat will most likely have less entrants (MBAC is a much bigger and hard game to get [PM ][/PM]), I won't push back the end date to 2 weeks later than the Garou one. So it will also end on December 23rd.

Still, it's time to get hype! Evenshade and myself are really hoping there's a good turnout for this one as well.

If you need any info on Melty Blood, visit Melty Bread. It's the best resources site about the game right now.

Last Edit: November 04, 2007, 12:01:37 am by Raziel

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#59 November 04, 2007, 12:21:23 am

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To get people hype'd for garou ranbats tonight here is some vids you just have to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVLkeufa46Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnsWdPGRU3M

Both these matches (and the other 22 matches in the SoCal Casual listing) have high technical play and show some cool stuff in a real fight between 2 pros.

PLACEMENT:
1st: Goat (6 points)
2nd: Raziel and MaD (4 points)
3rd: DarkNecrid and DeadPhoenix (3 points)
4th: Vectorman (1 point)
5th: Evenshade (0 points)

Last Edit: November 04, 2007, 03:48:33 am by DarkNecrid

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#60 November 04, 2007, 02:51:45 pm

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Sorry I missed another one guys... too much going on these past two weekends. Hopefully I'll be around for the next one though. Looks like some good matches took place this round. Raz, what that you as Jae? (Nice footwork whomever that was).

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