Nah, you need to get some books that explain the story which are sold only in Japan. The site I read the (translated) content of these books is long dead. Other sources are not very verifiable.

this is kind of wack.

SF has a crapload of story too. I left a link in my last post. Like I mentioned you can spends days reading all of it. It's awesome. If you took the time to read the story and not just bash it without knowing anything about it you would think the way that I do.

But yes, KoF has alot of story too and it's awesome as well. I actually like KoF games better than SF games because the characters themselves are just more detailed in both their moves and their personality.  Plus they release a new game every year which is sweet. BUT this isn't a KoF thread so I'll stop now.

as is this.

the idea that someone has to supplement a game and then it becomes the REAL story isn't really fair. as I mentioned in another thread, I know an obscene amount of Star Wars trivia. this does not make Star Wars the original movie better. just because I know the story behind the jawas that were incinerated by the stormtroopers or the history of the tusken raiders does not mean the original plot is better.

this is also unfair but I am pretty certain both of you are clearly stretching the premise that these stories are really great just to make the argument that it really does matter, so I'm going to try a different tact. would you say the point of any of these fighting games is to present a story, ever?

see, Rone's issue is a canon may have been violated (notice btw that there's still no evidence it has been). the argument so far has been that the canon is worthless and the counterargument is basically "nuh uh its good and it sucks that they broke it." so I ask instead, do these games even really include the story? and I'm not holding it to RPG standards. something like Gears of War includes cutscenes and even when it doesn't, often breaks the game immersion for an incoming message. even if you skip every cutscene or avoid every plot detail you can in Gears of War, Metal Gear Solid, Bioshock, GTA IV, you still run into some plot.

but almost all fighting games have a plot that is "x character is ina  tournament for some reason". if I skip that intro and that ending, and then a few cutscenes, does the plot matter?

not really! fighting games aren't about plot presentation. that is why they include such ridiculous ideas like a yoga master who can stretch his bones or a man possessed by a big bastard sword. they are about presenting pretty shallow characters and very pretty character designs by necessity.

so can you really argue that violating Street Fighter canon is a reason to dislike a game when the canon is such an irrelevant part of the game? I said this earlier, but the stories are MacGuffins; reasons for the characters to be there, not something to be preserved and respected. even the creators know this, which is why so many characters DO come back from the dead; its not something to really lose your shit about.

also Nightmare I don't want you to do all that work and then have only me read it, so you can still post that KoF storyline, just put it in hide tags so it doesn't stretch the topic.

the idea that someone has to supplement a game and then it becomes the REAL story isn't really fair.

This. Street fighter comics are pretty cool and there's some neat story going on there (well to be fair the only story that was ever better than average was all the Ryu/Ken/Akuma stuff. And Bison destroying villages) but it's all something you can enjoy on the side, and not part of the original game. Unless something is presented in the game or the manual, 99% of everyone who plays the game won't know about it. On one hand it's a good thing if the makers respect the story everyone else has already made, on the other hand you can't except them to if it would impair the quality of the game. Like say, we can't put Bison in because he's dead, or we can't put Ryu in because he's too old, or this move can't be this good because X thing happened in some comic from 6 years ago, or whatever. If they let things like that happen it would be even MORE stupid than violating canon.

BISSSSSSSOOOONNNNNN

God the character design is so hilarious.

I don't think Dan is in this game

God the character design is so hilarious.

I don't think Dan is in this game

Rufus is a joke char from what the people at the loketest said. There is still plenty of time and with like more characters on the way I am expecting Sakura, Dan, Cammy, and some new people to be confirmed.

just you watch. >:|

There is still plenty of time and with like more characters on the way I am expecting Sakura, Dan, Cammy, and some new people to be confirmed.

just you watch. >:|

Actually, I'm expecting SFIV to have a pretty small cast of 10-20 characters who are all very finely balanced rather than a giant cast like many current fighting games.  It seems more in line with the "back-to-what-made-it-popular-in-the-first-place" attitude that the game is radiating in general.  But we'll see I guess I am totally pumped for the game regardless.

Actually, I'm expecting SFIV to have a pretty small cast of 10-20 characters who are all very finely balanced rather than a giant cast like many current fighting games.  It seems more in line with the "back-to-what-made-it-popular-in-the-first-place" attitude that the game is radiating in general.  But we'll see I guess I am totally pumped for the game regardless.

yea except there is going to be more chars because one of the guys who basically confirmed everything up til now (including Dimps co-developing which didnt get publically announced until the new EGM (which went to subscribers thursday) like before SF4 was even announced (he mentioned the fireball negation (Saving Attack level 1 system etc) said Sakura was gonna be in it, plus Ono said there'd be more of a balance of female chars (right now: 14 male, 2 female), and because there was still space left on the char select screen, and since it is balanced with 4 a row, equal amount of rows, that leaves at least 8 more characters (2 rows, 4 characters each, top and bottom) which makes 24 characters minimum, so I see 24 characters being very likely, tbh.

yea except there is going to be more chars because one of the guys who basically confirmed everything up til now (including Dimps co-developing which didnt get publically announced until the new EGM (which went to subscribers thursday) like before SF4 was even announced (he mentioned the fireball negation (Saving Attack level 1 system etc) said Sakura was gonna be in it, plus Ono said there'd be more of a balance of female chars (right now: 14 male, 2 female), and because there was still space left on the char select screen, and since it is balanced with 4 a row, equal amount of rows, that leaves at least 8 more characters (2 rows, 4 characters each, top and bottom) which makes 24 characters minimum, so I see 24 characters being very likely, tbh.

Well you win

Maybe Dan counts as a female character because he is pretty gay!

That's not Ryu... more like an orange-painted Hulk

Maybe Dan counts as a female character because he is pretty gay!

Yeah, they need a balance of homosexual characters too. Vega​!) and Dan would be a start~
But seriously, The more characters there is, the more variety, but as you might have seen with Mortal Kombat 6... that didn't end up so well. Not enough effort. The less characters there are, the more finely they can tune them. So yeah, it's probably a better idea to keep the roster smaller.

Vega​!)

You know what? You need to die.

If you ask me, the only reason the stories for ANY fighters get to be this long is because they do the mandatory paragraph story-per-char in the instruction booklet, and over a series's lifetime these add up. Sometimes people will write stories outside of the game, but if it's in fact outside of the game, you're not presented with it during gameplay, and it becomes irrelevant. The story in fighters is irrelevant, in no fighter do you ever have to understand the story to further advance gameplay or get a better feel for the fighting system.

You know what? You need to die.

What? Vega is a very weird Spaniard and I doubt his sexual orientation. He's also fun to fight. So fun that I hate to fight him~

What? Vega is a very weird Spaniard and I doubt his sexual orientation. He's also fun to fight. So fun that I hate to fight him~

He's saying you need to die for calling Claw gay.

Claw is just a narcissist. He appreciates beauty, thinks of himself as beautiful (which is why he wears the mask), but is purely straight.

Claw is just a narcissist. He appreciates beauty, thinks of himself as beautiful (which is why he wears the mask), but is purely straight.

Exactly like me (part of why he's my favourite) but with the difference that I don't wear a mask. 

Yeah Vega is straight. He has a thing for Cammy in SFA3. The only homosexual characters in SF that I know of is Zangeif and Eagle(SF1).

Did he really have a thing? I thought it was because Cammy is beautiful and he thought it would be a waste to let her die.

Yeah Vega is straight. He has a thing for Cammy in SFA3. The only homosexual characters in SF that I know of is Zangeif and Eagle(SF1).

Zangief isn't gay and there's no canon saying he is, he bites the crotches of everyone willingly ok...

Also I don't think he had a thing for Cammy, I thought he appreciated her beauty and thought killing such a beautiful thing would be a crime or something.

then again he thinks Dictator is beautiful so i don't know what he is smoking.