The situation in Israel is very complicated and has a history that stretches back into the biblical days, and I do not think that you guys are seriously taking this into consideration and are just attacking each other, and I do not believe that's productive at all. Things are not black and white, and both sides have done some pretty seriously fucked up shit. However, it must be asked who benefits from all of this. Neither the people of Israel or the Palestinians will benefit from this, because such an action is only going to foster more negativity and continue to perpetuate the violence.

Think of the kids here ( and no not in a Mrs. Lovejoy kind of way), the Little Israelis are growing up in fear of being blown up or killed by the Arabs, and the Palestinians are growing up under the boot of oppression and collective punishment. Either side who asks, "Why me, why am I being targeted" is going to hate their perceived enemy and the cycle will continue when they grow up and there will be no peace.

Sadly Kaempfer, The moderates who do manage to come to power don't stay in power for very long because they're replaced by hard liners and/or assassinated. It's hard to say "Let's talk about things" when people are blowing themselves up in retaliation for retaliations for retaliations of attacks that happened in 1917 or earlier. When a group is attacked their collective consciousness says that there is a threat and so logic is preempted by the fight or flight response. When people attack, you don't say "I wonder why they're doing this." Instead we grab a gun, rock, knife or sharp stick and say "Let's do this shit!" and then rush in screaming "LEEEEEEEROY JENKIIIIIIINS" and fuck shit up even more.

Post 9-11 is a perfect example, after the attacks we didn't say "hmm, there should be a reason why our buildings were just blown up and 3k just died. I wonder what we did to someone to get them so pissed off." But instead we said something along the lines of "KILL'EM SONS A BITCHES!" and the rest is history. Now imagine having to deal with attacks and reprisals to the past 80 or so years (still recent history when they are still mad about something that happened in 325BC) and you'll realize how hard it is for a peacemaker to come to power and how easy it is for a meathead with a Kalashnikov, questionable ideals, fussy logic and a unsettling lack of trigger control to come to power.

I think it's all basic psychology stuff really.

Just to clear things up if people are wondering Ahmadenijad didn't say wipe Israel off the map he said get rid of the Zionist regime.

Also Macubex for prez '08

Oh and Ryan, Ahmadenijad is one strange and wonky dude man I'll admit. However, he is much more educated then Bush and a lot of the members of the Bush Administration. Him questioning the whole holocaust thing is his own problem, however dumb it may sound. Personally, I'm sure the holocaust did happen but I still have a lot of questions and remain skeptical about the deathtoll and other statistics. I think what he is just doing is pushing the whole Zionist control of the media thing to the extreme. It seems he is completely consumed by that idea. Frankly though, I would not be surprised if he was actually right though.

Oh I also really really hate the term Anti-semite. It's actually makes no sense when applied to arab people and the people of the middle east in general. The root word by defination is used to describe the people of the middle east, including BOTH Arabs and Jewish people and their language. I will never accept that word as a term of discrimination to jewish people until the root word is changed accordingly, sorry.

To be fair, all countries at one point have/had a dirty tract record though.

I also never took into consideration that he is either having that brain issue you mentioned or he is just getting pretty old and clueless, good point.

The brain really is like a muscle. If you don't use your muscles much then atrophy is bond to happen. The same thing sort of applies to the brain. That's why all those T.V dads who sit on the couch and watch T.V all day become vegetables when they become seniors.

Maybe Bush isn't actively using his brain too much ​. In all seriousness though if it's a condition then I would understand.

Lmao, you believe Bush is a harvard graduate?

He most definately is, on paper. I bet you didn't know that it's VERY hard to fail at harvarrd. Why? Because people don't pay up $50,000 or more a year to fail. There is a system setup to help as much as people pass even though they don't even deserve it, I know 4 people personally that graduated from harvard and they all told me this on seperation occasion (they don't know each other either). Plus the fact that he can't even pronounce anything correctly or construct a damn sentence himself...