Good to hear impressions from a GW member and for that I hate you (jealous). Marth was always top tier though (4th if I'm not mistaken) and I really didn't think he'd be going even higher from what I've heard so far. His recovery was nerfed (can only do one side-B for horizontal distance), his range was shortened, and he runs a bit slower (granted most characters do). He wasn't affected by the floatiness that much though since he was a floaty character to begin with. I thought dash dancing was useless in Brawl? All the vids I've seen so far show that it's much harder to pull off consistently. Glad Marth still has his F-air and tipper though. He may end up being my main again.

Lucario does look beastly though. How does Wolf compare to Fox and Falco? Is he better? Worse? He seems really good from the vids I've seen so far.

Oh, and are you planning on joining the GW tourney?

Well, I meant Marth feels like he's definite top tier material, not that he wasn't before (tho it's kind of arguable because Fox/Falco are the real tops and everyone else is upper and high-mid but the line is blurry enough to mix them up a lot). Dashdancing's far from useless, it just feels different and the patterns for attacking in and out of it are definitely not the same.

Wolf feels weird, I personally don't like him, but I haven't had him unlocked for too long now. I don't know if it's me or if it's the way he plays but he just doesn't play anything like Fox and Falco does. His reflector doesn't seem to spike and he can't nearly control space as well as the other space animals do. He does have more of "oomph" to his attacks but it doesn't feel good enough to put him on the same level as the others for now. I'd say he's still good but until I get more accustomed to him (fat chance there, I never liked the space animals), I can't really comment on anything more than superficial level.

And sadly I can't join the GW tournament. I'll be moving out during March and I'll be stripped from the internet for a month or too, so no tournament for me.

Meta Knight is broken.

Like, I'm not even kidding here or exaggerating, he's really that good. He goes fast as all heck, he deals crazy damage, if he gets you off the stage you're NEVER going to come back because he's just going to chase you and nair and fair you to death and he'll always be able to come back, and even though he's light, he's hard as hell to actually kill because his jumps cover so much distance.

Care to describe whether Cpt. Falcon is the same or not? Besides Pikachu, he was the only melee character I used, and Pikachu is way too embarassing to be good with.

PS. I think I'll wait for a tourny-rules GW tournament. I'm just not very good with items, personal preference, don't flame me, blah blah blah...

Good to know Fox is still awesome, and Falco too I guess. I like how Wolf is looking. Any more similarities/differences between the three? Fox and Falco, especially?

Also, yeah, I could tell Lucario was good. He's pretty strong, it seems, and his moves looked nice. What's his Down-B?

And Marth is a lot faster, attack speed wise, right?

Fox and Falco play pretty similar to their SSBM counterpart, with a few differences due to the speed change and their lost tools (shffl, waveshielding and such), but to the casual gamer they'll feel the same. Wolf would seem the most different from a casual point of view because of his gimped shield, different laser and slower but stronger nature.

Lucario's d+B is a stance-like thing. I THINK it's a counter but I haven't been able to get it to work and it doesn't do anything in practice mode. I'm waiting on the Lucario dojo update to actually know what to do with it.

Yeah, Marth's faster on his normal attacks, his smashes feel like they attack normally though but his neutral and tilts do come out a lot faster than they used to and you can spam them a lot more efficiently.

Care to describe whether Cpt. Falcon is the same or not? Besides Pikachu, he was the only melee character I used, and Pikachu is way too embarassing to be good with.

I don't know, I'm not a Falcon player at all and none of my friends play him, so I really can't say anything on that.

Care to describe whether Cpt. Falcon is the same or not? Besides Pikachu, he was the only melee character I used, and Pikachu is way too embarassing to be good with.

PS. I think I'll wait for a tourny-rules GW tournament. I'm just not very good with items, personal preference, don't flame me, blah blah blah...

Pshh. Do both. Who cares if you aren't good with items? It's just for fun and it'll be the first GW tourney.

As for Meta Knight, I though he had a hard time finishing people off even though he could combo them easily. He does look top tier though and I'm glad since I was planning on playing him from the first vid I saw.

Lucario's down B is a counter attack. He dashes past the enemy and whacks them from the back. Looks really cool.

Captain Falcon is still one of the better characters. His knee got a nice nerf though, but then again, a lot of characters got their best attacks nerfed. He's still really quick and really good.

VID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igpjjxDqSHc

i found a fuckin wii tonight. So fuckin happy.

Sign me up for this tourney and what not, i will be ready to pwn noobs!

i found a fuckin wii tonight. So fuckin happy.

Sign me up for this tourney and what not, i will be ready to pwn noobs!

Grats, man. Just added you to the list. That makes 23 people so far with 4 maybes.

Ciel and the rest of you, get your Wiis.

Did I hear that Zelda's Forward Air kick got beefed?! If so, $$.

This is true. A bunch of her other moves did as well from what I remember. She's a much better character this time around.

Well I want to be in the tournament but my paticipation depends on if I can figure out a way to get a high speed connection working at home before March. I live like 20 miles from any other human being so as you can imagine a DSL/cable connection isn't an option.
I might be able to just play it from work though.

Hey Raziel, what modchip is your friend using? I've heard that some modchips won't work with certain games.

Wiikey.

to anybody who knows a lot about all this shit: how does link stack up to the rest of the characters?  is he really good or really bad or in the middle or what 'cause i always kick ass with him and i want to know if that's because i'm FUCKING AWESOME or if it's because he's just an easy character to use or some shit

i'm going to guess that he's in the middle because his attacks are pretty strong but he has a slow recovery time.  of course this is based on the original super smash bros. since i haven't played ssbm in a long time so i don't remember very well how good he is in that one

but yeah im fucking awesome with link i always always always beat my friends go me

Since I'm bored and I got nothing else to do, here are the current tier list for the US-released games:

Top tier: Pikachu, Kirby, Ness
High tier: Fox, Captain Falcon
Middle tier: Jigglypuff, Mario, Yoshi
Low tier: Donkey Kong, Luigi
Bottom tier: Samus, Link

Top tier: Fox, Falco
High tier: Sheik, Marth, Peach
Middle tier: Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, Samus, Doctor Mario, Mario, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf
Low tier: Link, Luigi, Donkey Kong, Roy, Young Link, Pikachu
Bottom tier: Yoshi, Zelda, Game and Watch, Ness, Bowser, Kirby, Pichu, Mewtwo

So yeah, Link is generally considered pretty shit in both games (and rather strangely, is ranked #12 in SSB64 and #13 in SSBM). And no, it's not that you guys kick ass with him, it's that your friends most likely suck huge ass and can't do anything properly, especially in SSB64 where if he gets hit once by any of the top tiers he's probably going to die a quick and painful death.