Topic: 15 Year Old Girl Jailed With 20 Men!! (Read 2982 times)

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Shite that's terrible!
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you know i read this a few hours ago and I've been thinkin about that poor girl and just how she will probably never have a happy or care free life in the future regardless of getting a boyfriend, girlfriend husband/wife whatever. Even if she does someone traumatized like that will have a hard time having a relationship...It really just pisses me off that people do that, I mean men face the same troubles if they are weak and thrown in jail (i.e. a weak man thrown in for child rape will be raped as if he was said 15 year old girl. Not the same situation, but an adequate example to my point). So I guess you could figure that in America they would do the same thing with a 15 year old male and jail him with full grown if his crime is ridiculously bad, not stealing mind you though. But in holding cells he can still be raped, most criminals stuck in overnight holding cells don't care about life and will rape a young kid who's stuck there overnight anyway. I don't know I want to feel bad for the girl and I sincerely do but I can't help but figure she shouldn't have played around in committing crimes anyway. I mean she'll obviously never do it again but something, a very small part of me, wonders why human nature is so drastic towards one side. No one feels bad for killers or pedophiles, male or female, if they are raped in jail by their own sex. But when something like this happens we all flip out and feel so horrible for the girl. Why is that? Personally I only feel bad cause of her age and the fact she won't have a single normal relationship from here on out, but its more then that honestly. I'm human I feel bad cause shes a girl. But not a single person here can say they would feel the same about a male raped, they would feel bad but not equally. And many would say he deserved it for breaking the law, no one I personally know or even myself but some people have outrageous views towards criminals and what they deserve, not saying they are a bad person or not. Sorry I sorta rambled on the subject... :sweat:
Well, I tend to have a lower view towards pedophiles and murderers than I do towards a little girl who steals. Shit, I know that a majority of people will never steal in their lives, but many people did and do; I stole as a child, got caught, slapped with a $50 fine and dealt with by my parents, and I haven't stolen a penny since. I just don't think a child stealing is the most severe of crimes. Do not mistake that statement. A child who steals should be punished, but I think jail might've even gone too far (but I don't know the circumstances or the laws in Brazil).
Of course those in the penal system have a responsibility to treat criminals like people and sentence them like people not monsters, but like I've said before (not in this thread), not being a judge, I don't feel myself bound by these parameters, so yes, when a rapist or a murderer gets raped in prison, I don't feel too bad for that person. A 15 year old girl who got jailed for stealing, however, with 20 criminal men (and I don't think there's a reasonable person who doesn't know what happens when you do that) is tragic.
Last Edit: November 27, 2007, 02:41:22 pm by Zeratul

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What's the purpouse of posting this besides making everyone feel bad?

ignorance is bliss eh?

this is really sad but as wash cycle said this isn't just one case in the world, there are many others that we don't know of. well we do but they aren't as popular. take the case in Africa and child rape ( yeah sorry the link is like 6 years old but still lol) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25806.
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A bizarre belief among many African black men that sex with a virgin -- even a child or baby -- can cure HIV/AIDS is fueling what is already one of the highest child sexual exploitation rates in the world.
a lot of you have prolly heard of it but some haven't. same aspect  :fogetmmh:

anyways i really think the Brazilian gov't should be the one charged and honestly they need to make changes. it doesn't even say why she was sent to prison, well there was a very brief statement on how she stole something.
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Last Edit: November 27, 2007, 03:49:31 pm by Zoner
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Discussion.

Other than "This is horrible", what can we say?

Anyone who gives any notion of being against the girl in any way is gonna get their ass handed to them on a silver platter of righteousness.
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Anyone who gives any notion of being against the girl in any way is gonna get their ass handed to them on a silver platter of righteousness.

Maybe she liked it   :fogetshrug:

whatever floats your boat I guess.
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This doesn't really bug me, as I'm not the one who was raped, so yeah.

Although it is a horrible thing to hear about, and the officers should lose their job for being retards and shit, but because they mistook her for being older, I don't think they can be arrested or anything. I dunno...

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Then they came for the trade unionists
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Then they came for me
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Last Edit: November 27, 2007, 09:36:48 pm by Lord Kamina

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kamina thats a nice poem. sadly it doesnt remind me of cold omen though :/
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Of what? How bad it is? I think this is one occasion everyone can agree is globally bad.
Well, I don't know. Be creative, figure something out yourself. Try and ask for some more information on the subject, such as how the officers involved are defending their mistake, or maybe you could point out the fact that even if you ignore this incident, the Brazilian prison is probably the worst place in the world to be in. If you want to talk about something vaguely related to the subject, then do so. Yes, there isn't much to say about the actual subject, which is the incident itself, but do you really want me to lock this topic for that reason?

Other than "This is horrible", what can we say?
Well, if you can't figure anything out, don't say anything at all.
Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 07:06:41 am by Dada
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Someone needs to nuke the world and start over.

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Seriously, how could've they not know she's 15?

Seriously, what's up with the world these days :fogetnah:
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Seriously, how could've they not know she's 15?
As if knowing that would have mattered to them.
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Yes, there isn't much to say about the actual subject, which is the incident itself, but do you really want me to lock this topic for that reason?
Ya because I keep feeling bad every time I see it bumped.
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Abaetetuba is not Pará's capital but yes it's a horrible thing, now because of some sociopathic police officers everyone will think Brazil is like those islamic countries where it's OK to gang rape women for whatever "reasons"

Actually I live in an Islamic country and I can assure you that rape is not acceptable here and is served with the death sentence.
All I can say now is that the men who did this deserve to be raped themselves but this would probably just be making it worse...
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That is horrible (iam halping promoate discusson)
Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 04:44:39 pm by Aztec
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I was thinking about this the other night, and some things didn't make sense to me. Now, while I think I could kill someone if the circumstances were right (like, it was absolutely necessary), but if I killed someone (thereby possibly becoming a criminal) that wouldn't make me a fucking RAPIST. How were all of these criminals they put her in jail with rapists, as well? Is every criminal in Brazil a rapist, automatically? And what kind of fucking jail cell holds 20 people for more than a day? There are holding cells, yes, but usually those are under close police supervision and hold no more than five people for court dates and the like.

Back to the crime at hand: While it was the criminals who did the deed, I think the real villains here are the police. Police are there to keep shit like this from happening, not completely facilitate it. People trust police (well, I do) and so they have a duty to not let this happen. I can accept the error of leaving her in there one night- "Shit guys what did we do, we put a young girl in with a bunch of hardened criminals!"- but how, after hearing her screams and sobbing and pleas for escape (which must have existed) can you leave her in there? That's what makes me truly sick about this; a month under police supervision. They'd see the bruises even if she was told to keep quiet for pain of death, they'd know it was happening even if they were blind fools. And yet they let it keep happening.

It doesn't matter if you are 15 or 50, you shouldn't be thrown into a jail cell with 20 rapists because you are charged with theft. The guys who raped her should be castrated (blanket punishment for all rapists), and the cops should be lined up against a wall and shot. Don't preach to me about the punishment not fitting the crime, because what they did was evil. It wasn't just "malicious" or "sadistic", it was pure fucking evil. Who knows what spurred it on, but it is unforgivable to think that somewhere, anywhere, the one civil body you rely on to protect you from crime submits you to crime of the most terrible sort and keeps you in hell for a month for possibly breaking the law in some comparably insignificant way.
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I was thinking about this the other night, and some things didn't make sense to me. Now, while I think I could kill someone if the circumstances were right (like, it was absolutely necessary), but if I killed someone (thereby possibly becoming a criminal) that wouldn't make me a fucking RAPIST. How were all of these criminals they put her in jail with rapists, as well? Is every criminal in Brazil a rapist, automatically? And what kind of fucking jail cell holds 20 people for more than a day? There are holding cells, yes, but usually those are under close police supervision and hold no more than five people for court dates and the like.

well, its brazil, so you probably shouldn't apply OUR PRISON AND POLICE RULES to theirs, cause they probably don't have them.

As for the rapists thing...

Imagine if you've been in jail for lets say, 20 years. That is 7,305 days without any sexual contact with a woman, hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't seen a woman in that amount of time really. The prisoners that she got thrown in with were probably sexually starved, their libido's through the roof, etc.

They are probably thinking to themselves "FUCK YEAH A GIRL LETS GET HER!!!" because, whats the worst thats going to happen? They get more jail time? For them, its probably worth it.

You don't have to be a rapist, or a previous rapist, to rape someone. Likewise, you don't have to be a cannibal or a previous cannibal to eat human flesh, you just have to be put in a situation that would allow it, two different situations in this case, but still....when you're starved for something, and if you've been in prison for that long, you're broken down already, nothing else really matters to you, and I'm sure since its Brazil their prisons are shit (our prisons in America are godlike really, we pamper our prisoners too much actually imho), so they are even more broken down. They don't give a fuck what they do, as long as they get some tangible benefit, its probably worth it!

just imo though, so take that with a grain of salt.
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Well, I don't know - like even if the procedures in Brazil are different, I'd assume a "police station jailhouse" only holds a person a couple of days tops, let alone two dozen in the same cell. Hardly the time to become sexually deprived enough to rape a young girl. I'd sooner blame mob mentality, actually, though I wouldn't say that everyone in the cell suddenly became a rapist - if there were even two or three individuals twisted enough to go through with it, it may have intimidated even those with a fucking conscience into not responding since they were, after all, trapped in a small space with twenty other and potentially dangerous people. (It didn't help that the guards never came to intervene either.)

It's not exactly a place where you want to turn the group against you (thought really, I'd like to expect better even from jail inmates.)
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They ranged from 20-34. I am 22 and I haven't had sex in two years (and before that, it was 19 years, and I managed to not rape anything!). And there is no way that Brazilian jails are just "rooms". It was obviously some sort of of holding cell at a police station, so obviously those guys hadn't been there for twenty years or even five years. Brazil isn't some third world country (perhaps parts of the equatorial rain forest may seem like it, but this happened in a small city) and they have LAWS and a JUSTICE SYSTEM there.

You are mixing up jails and prison; jails are any area where you hold a prison (for even a short time), whereas a prison is a permanent holding facility. You don't hold people for years and years in a jail cell, you put them in prison. I don't know, this seems an awful lot like a human rights violation to me, which is supposed to be treated in a certain way. If the federal government can't force their provincial/state governments to prevent situations like this happening, then they are failing as a federal government.

edit: even if (especially if) they were all rapists to start off with it's still the fault of the officers this happened. Yes, the inmates are of course to blame for making the worst possible decision (even if it was only a few of them) but that decision should never, not in the last five hundred years of anything resembling a civilization, have been presented to them in the first place.
Last Edit: November 29, 2007, 06:39:14 pm by Kaempfer
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Kampfer wtf are you talking about. Do you expect everyone to just go around making the bestest and most rational decisions? If they were like this there wouldn't be any kind of police in first place.
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Inri, wtf are you talking about. I expect the POLICE to go around make the best (not bestest) and most rational decisions, which in this case, they obviously didn't.

I agree with Kaempfer 100%.
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