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Ok guys after much thought I decided that piracy is plain wrong because... Just think about it for a moment.

You wouldn't steal a car would you?

You wouldn't steal a purse

You wouldn't steal a cell phone

You wouldn't steal a movie

Buying pirated movies is STEALING. Stealing is against the law! Piracy IS stealing.

I hope you learned something. Let me now apply what I've just said to a suspenseful music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0g1PpuJcis&feature=related


Another reasons why I changed my mind is because celebrities told me that it's wrong.



Against:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_oAplHmZEA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lct4Efa8O0

WATCH OUT FOR PIRACY ASSASSINS.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcMNl-JBJ8U&feature=related
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If you people are so fucking lazy not to be principled, why not just go for the people who are actually giving away their music for free?
who says we don't? in terms of minutes of music, i have more independent music on my computer than "professional" music.
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Ok people of gamingW. Imagine this, but in the voice of butters from South Park.

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i don't listen to music so i don't download it, but when it comes to movies and cartoons etc, i've always figured if it's been on TV before then it shouldn't be a problem at all!
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Ok people of gamingW. Imagine this, but in the voice of butters from South Park.

Southpark dude

Imagine me pirating the manager of a movie theatre.
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I actually would buy music CD's over downloading them if they were:

A) Cheaper.... WAY cheaper. I won't pay $20 for a music CD, but $5, $6 or maybe even $7 would be much more reasonable.
B) More available. The kind of music I listen to is not exactly mainstream so it's difficult to pick up a disc at the local music store.
C) Amazon ACCEPT PAYPAL PLZ. They have music available for download but they don't accept PayPal >_>
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I download almost everything, but I end up buying a lot of the same stuff as well.

It's really just 'try before you buy', and I think that'show it should be used. I'm not going to pay for
a movie or album if I don't know if it's good or not. If it's good however, it's eventually destined
to end up in my shelves. I even do this with some anime's when they are released over here;
Buying Great Teacher Onizuka is one of the greatest things I've ever done.

Software however, i rarely pay for. As a musician, I use a lot of software, ranging from VSTi's and
sequencers to high class music software like ProTools and Ableton Live. I can't afford it, but I still
want to make use of the software. If I ever end up doing this shit for a living, I'll buy it; I've done
so with Guitar Rig II already (although that's because it comes with hardware).

We don't want the commercial industry to die, of course.

As for the 'gimme cheaper' argument... I understand you feel that way, but maybe, just maybe, they
have to keep the prices this high because *gasp* half the world downloads the products?

Of course, even if we'd download less and bought more, the industry would keep the prices high,
because they'd make more money, so it's a no-win situation in the end.
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I consider my downloading to be like pre-viewing something I want. In my case I actually end up buying basically everything I download. So for me it isn't quite stealing but pre-viewing.
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I think it's terrible that anyone has had to pay a cent to the RIAA because "BOOHOO BECAUSE PEOPLE DOWNLOAD OUR MUSIC WE'RE LOSING 3 BILLION DOLLARS" (Yeah I know that's not the actual number, but the fact is that the number is ridiculous no matter what it is).
CDs are a dying format. Almost no one carries CD players anymore. They probably won't die entirely for like 20 years or so, but surely the record companies couldn't expect to sell CDs forever. It's not "piracy" that's causing them lost sales; people have been "pirating" for years. Shit, I can't count how many VHS tapes and cassette tapes I borrowed from friends and family members and just copied over. They're losing sales because they're sticking to a business model which is failing. Downloading doesn't cost them a cent and they know it. Anyone who would pirate music would've found a way anyways and they wouldn't have bought the album, not to mention that most people don't pirate an entire album anyways, but rather one or two songs.
There are CD stores closing left and right, store hours being cut, employees not getting enough hours and so forth, and they think the problem is illegal downloading? It's not the high prices, oh no, where did you get that silly idea?
I'm glad that there are ISPs out there that refuse to give information to the RIAA without a court subpoena. Even though piracy is illegal, there's no reason to make it so easy on the RIAA. Let them spend millions of dollars to try and get a few hundred thousand out of my pocket.

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I would like to think that I have some set of "ethics" as regards to piracy, like only pirating things that aren't readily available in Finland, but the truth really is that such things far outnumber what little domestically available entertainment I consume. If I hear a catchy ANIMU/VIDCON BEAT, I prefer eMuling it to ordering The Official SoundTrack from Japan-land with a stellar postal fee just for that one track. Generally, if acquiring it requires me to use the Internet, I might just as well hit The Pirate Bay rather than go through a complex net auction process.

I do have to confess that I've actually recently begun to believe such CRAZY TALK as net piracy and the Internet giving more freedom of choice to the consumer, deconstructing a deathly ill business model, and paving the way to a socialist utopia where information is free and infinite and everybody brushes their teeth after a meal.
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Dada made a good point about unliscenced anime.  However, almost everything (read: 95% or so) of the things I download I could have bought.  His other good point is one that I tried to raise with the musician I was talking to; downloading something is not the same as taking it off a shelf from a store.  Someone out there had to buy whatever I've downloaded so an original purchase was made.  But if I shoplift then it costs the company money to replace the stolen item. 

I've thought of another question.  What do you think will happen to the industries if piracy continues along at its current pace (or becomes more widespread)?  Will the industries crumble, or will they buckle under the pressure and find a way to make money?

Edit: I personally think that the industries will do one of two things.  Perpetuate until they no longer exist (in the way the exist now), or adapt their distribution and development process to allow them to make money.  Pretty vague answer, but it's all I can come up with for now.
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I haven't bought music/a movie/a game in probably 2 years.

Its free, its fast, its easy.
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i download rap music because i want the artists to lose money
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I think that if those companies didn't want to "lose money" to piracy they should just invent another way to make money, and I'm pretty sure they can do that. Nobody wants to buy their tiny, round plastic discs anymore, they should accept it instead of trying to sue everyone and saying "PIRACY IS STEALING!!", that will just make everyone hate them.
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I think it's terrible that anyone has had to pay a cent to the RIAA because "BOOHOO BECAUSE PEOPLE DOWNLOAD OUR MUSIC WE'RE LOSING 3 BILLION DOLLARS" (Yeah I know that's not the actual number, but the fact is that the number is ridiculous no matter what it is).
Yeah, this is ridiculous. The blank CDs I buy are more expensive because the **AA says they're being used to hurt their sales. Even if we assume that this is correct, nobody uses CDs anymore to copy stuff around. We've got torrents now. You can stop taxing that old media now, since whatever potential it had for piracy is now long gone.

Besides, any new music that I buy goes straight to the iPod. I also digitized all games that I'd like to keep. Why should I leave them on an unstable old physical disc that does nothing but deteriorate on my shelve?

I've thought of another question.  What do you think will happen to the industries if piracy continues along at its current pace (or becomes more widespread)?  Will the industries crumble, or will they buckle under the pressure and find a way to make money?
Piracy is going only one way: it's growing, and will continue to grow unless something else becomes more attractive to the users. That means the media companies will need to make it easier for us to get content quickly and at a low price. iTunes is a good start, for example. They need to expand on that concept.

If they don't, they will eventually start losing money because you can't sell a product that nobody wants. And if all they're going to be churning out are ridiculously expensive CDs, they won't have a viable business model. No matter how large, the dinosaur will fall.

Besides, there's absolutely no way that piracy can be stopped. Hackers will find their way around everything. The only thing that scares a hacker is a hardware lock, but even those will eventually be cracked, if they ever come to be (they most likely won't). Just take a look at the PSP, for example. Every single copy protection they've come up with has been cracked eventually. I'm not sure if they're still working on the latest. They've patched the thing up a zillion times, and even so it's still a matter of looking up the right documents; you can crack your PSP within 10 minutes if you know where to look. This has been true for every single software product as well. I think it's fair to predict that the only way to "stop" piracy is through legal means, but they have been losing support for that route for some time now.
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Piracy is harder to quit than smoking. I know I'm not going to switch sides anytime soon...!
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I forgot to say this too... But piracy is kinda like a fucking conspiration... Have you ever stopped to think for a while? back in the 80s and early 90s... It was commonplace to borrow a cassette or a VHS from a friend and copy it... And nobody would say anything, it was as normal as it got... Or recording from the radio or TV.

Today, however... Doing the same is "STEALING." In the end, it's all just a fucking ginormous lobby by the media industry.

The movie and recording industries both tried to put a stop to VHS and cassettes back in the early 80's by claiming that people would use the technology to steal their property and that it would hurt their sales.  Obviously they weren't hurt by the technology since both industries were still having record sales well into the late 90's.  

I don't really pirate much of anything these days.  I only do so if the thing I want is out of print or extremely hard to find.  I also refuse to pirate games for current systems.  Movie studios can always put their movies on television and get the money back from advertising or licensing fees.  Musicians can go on tour and make money that way.  Game companies can't do that sort of thing.  They rely solely on sales.    
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I don't honestly think that piracy is affecting the music and recording industries as much as they claim, I think it's more that it's an easy scapegoat for the larger problem that those industries face, which is that people simply don't want to buy a lot of the product they offer.  I mean, half of the movies I download are things that I would NEVER buy, and I just grab for shits and giggles every now and then. I would have never bought it anyway, so it's not really all that bad that I'm downloading it, imo.

Just thought I'd throw that out there
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