Politics U.S Presidential Primary Thread (Read 20603 times)

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Make sure your whole body is covered with Ron Paul pins and posters and stickers so that you have a 100% chance of getting to meet him. Also wave Ron Paul flags.
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I'll either be voting for Ron Paul or Huckabee.  Ron Paul's Libertarian agenda might do something different for the country -- and that would be nice.

Obama and Clinton scare me.  Obama is the lesser of the two evils, though.  I don't necessarily dislike him, but I usually vote more conservative or moderate/radical.  Liberal ideals are awesome on paper, but when it comes down to it, it's going to tear our economy a new one.  Health care for all of America?  That's going to rape us in taxes and our medical community will not be as decent as it used to be.  Nobody will want to be a doctor.  I talked to a few doctor friends of mine, and they're going to retire if Liberals get their way with social health care.

Just my few cents.  I know there are always two sides to a story.

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man how do you fucking people not read anything in the topic.

the last six or so posts were about how shit ron paul was, and this topic is full of it.

good to see you're so heartless as to be afraid of being "raped in taxes" while allowing a fearmongering incubus who believes jesus gives him the right to beat his wife enter office!

ps: ask your friends who are so paranoid about liberals if they would still be doctors if their med school was free and they took a minor pay hit. if not, your friends are no doctors I'd want treating me considering money is really the last reason you should be operating on people for, win win.
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didnt you know steel the medical community is all about da benjamins ($$$)


9 out of 10 doctors agree that if they were forced to take a marginal paycut in order to provide healthcare for the millions of people who need it but don't have it, they'd say "fuck this shit"
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http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/148/1/55 for those interested in UHC and who don't get it.

if you have an SA account, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2732476 this is a FANTASTIC topic with a lot of questions answered.
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man how do you fucking people not read anything in the topic.

the last six or so posts were about how shit ron paul was, and this topic is full of it.

good to see you're so heartless as to be afraid of being "raped in taxes" while allowing a fearmongering incubus who believes jesus gives him the right to beat his wife enter office!

ps: ask your friends who are so paranoid about liberals if they would still be doctors if their med school was free and they took a minor pay hit. if not, your friends are no doctors I'd want treating me considering money is really the last reason you should be operating on people for, win win.

Fantastic flame.

Now, let's get onto the actual point of my post.  My point is that I don't care for the liberal side of things.  And a "minor pay hit" for doctors?  Really?  More like a massive pay-hit.  And if it helps people in school -- fantastic.  But my doctor friends are much older and have been out of school for years.  So not that fantastic for them.  There's a reason that US Health Care is awesome -- it's expensive and you get what you pay for.  Cuba...  Hmm.  Social health care.  Canada?  Same thing.  Then why is it that it takes you months to get your busted leg fixed in Canada?  Why did Fidel Castro get a doctor from outside of Canada?  I had a friend in Canada who had to wait a few months to get his broken/busted leg fixed and reset by the doctors because of the waiting list.

I would prefer to have my leg taken care of ASAP.  Or hell, if I get cancer, that'd be nice to have treated right away.  You know, instead of dying while I'm waiting for my health care to take care of me.

And as far as Ron Paul.  Fantastic.  Now, let me ask you this.  Aside from his poor "family skillz" and his "crazy beliefs," I'd actually like to see someone DIFFERENT get into the office.  Sure, he's got some problems.  Bush was an alcoholic.  Clinton (Bill) is a sex addict.  Everyone has their issues.  But what are they bringing to the table?  Ron Paul will bring Libertarian views to the US which would be a change of pace -- a very welcome change, in my opinion.

And I find it amusing that there are a lot of people in here who will go and say all of this.  If you actually *Vote* then I'll have some respect for you.  If you don't, then you have very little need to flame.  I pay my taxes, I go to work, I have my medical insurance through my company.

What I'd honestly like to see is a cut-down on some of the unnecessary government programs in the US, a revitalized push into helping with education and boosting that so that college fees aren't so damn expensive, someone kicking the RIAA in the balls, and less restrictive IP laws and stuff that won't kill torrenting and P2P (or at least attempt to).

Wasn't Hilary also trying to really start restricting game sales and stuff too?

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HE'S A FUCKING RACIST HOMOPHOBE NUTJOB THAT'S NOT A FUCKING PROBLEM THAT'S A FUCKING CANCER ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

christ i need to drink before i tear you to shreds and then panda will probably have to goad me because i will say IT DOESN'T MATTE RHE SUPPORTS FUCKING HUCKABEE WHAT DECENT PERSON DOES THAT.
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HE'S A FUCKING RACIST HOMOPHOBE NUTJOB THAT'S NOT A FUCKING PROBLEM THAT'S A FUCKING CANCER ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

christ i need to drink before i tear you to shreds and then panda will probably have to goad me because i will say IT DOESN'T MATTE RHE SUPPORTS FUCKING HUCKABEE WHAT DECENT PERSON DOES THAT.

Again, nice job flaming.  Seriously.  I love how you express your opinions in a very mature manner.  Even more so, I love how you totally just responded to what I wrote.

And who cares?  Racist?  Homophobe?  The President doesn't make laws -- it's Congress.  I would LOVE to see a Liberal/Conservative mix Congress/Senate that's more or less 50/50 and a president that's Libertarian.  That would be fantastic.  That's truly having your cake and eating it too.

And fyi whoever mentioned it earlier, Conservatives were against using embryos for stem cells, because it killed the embryo.  Funny now that since that barricade was put up, a few years (was it even that long?) later, they figured how to extract stem cells from an actual person themselves.  So now, no killing embryos.  Instead, we take stem cells from the person who needs them.  I think that's fantastic.

But hey, what do I know.

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doesn't mind a president that is openly racist and homophobic


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you fucking idiot.

in 1991 David Duke, a white nationalist and former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, ran for governor of Louisiana. he only lost because black voters, horrified, voted against him. he nearly won.

now Terin.

Terin this is important.

do you understand the dangers of mass-electing a racist man to the governor's seat?

if you do not, then everything is wasted, and honestly, I'd like to ask you to leave. if someone else wants to ask about UHC or the gold standard or even race relations, and you have questions, I will answer them.

but if you cannot see this basic precept, if you cannot understand the absolute horror someone like myself or someone who is a minority in any way would feel at seeing a racist enter power, the dread and the fear and absolutely hopelessness we would enter, then please do not post. I don't begrudge you because you have not seen what race means to other people or what racism can do; you might just be 15 (although I hope your profile lies and you aren't 22) and confused. but I don't want to deal with it, because people like you break my fucking heart. it absolutely kills me to see someone say something like a racist can be elected because he will somehow miraculously hold objective beliefs otherwise and make things better.

the trains might run on time in Hitler's Germany, but my friends and I are still corpses in the camps.

if you don't get it, don't post. if you do and you meant something else, if you realize saying "how can a homophobic and racist president affect the law" is foolish, I'll accept that and post.

but otherwise, it's too much.
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you fucking idiot.

in 1991 David Duke, a white nationalist and former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, ran for governor of Louisiana. he only lost because black voters, horrified, voted against him. he nearly won.

now Terin.

Terin this is important.

do you understand the dangers of mass-electing a racist man to the governor's seat?

if you do not, then everything is wasted, and honestly, I'd like to ask you to leave. if someone else wants to ask about UHC or the gold standard or even race relations, and you have questions, I will answer them.

but if you cannot see this basic precept, if you cannot understand the absolute horror someone like myself or someone who is a minority in any way would feel at seeing a racist enter power, the dread and the fear and absolutely hopelessness we would enter, then please do not post. I don't begrudge you because you have not seen what race means to other people or what racism can do; you might just be 15 (although I hope your profile lies and you aren't 22) and confused. but I don't want to deal with it, because people like you break my fucking heart. it absolutely kills me to see someone say something like a racist can be elected because he will somehow miraculously hold objective beliefs otherwise and make things better.

the trains might run on time in Hitler's Germany, but my friends and I are still corpses in the camps.

if you don't get it, don't post. if you do and you meant something else, if you realize saying "how can a homophobic and racist president affect the law" is foolish, I'll accept that and post.

but otherwise, it's too much.

If you think for a second that a president can get away with being racist in office, then you're mistaken.  That's political suicide.  I speak as a minority.  And yes, I am 22.  And yes, I have a real job.  And I pay my taxes, I paid for my schooling, and all the like. 

If he continues that kind of rhetoric in office, then I say let him face the penalties for it when he's in office.  A governor has more power in his state than the president has for his country (at least, it does here in Texas).  I've read his comments about minorities.  Which may or may not have been even said by him, but let's assume they are (political writers could have written something with his name, but in any case, he should have issued some kind of apology).  I think it's amusing he made some extremist quote that 95% of the black community was responsible for crime or however he chose to say it.  I think that's absolutely absurd.  Now, if someone believes that, then they're retarded.  Can you maybe agree that in his example, I believe LA, had a lot of violence from black, male teenagers?  Sure.  I'd say the same with New Orleans.  (ok, I'm sounding racist, but let me make my point here)

The lower-class areas of a city/population is very easy to point out that's bad, and I believe there is some merit in pointing that out.  It furthers my earlier argument that we need a better education system.  I'm all for trying to get rid of the crap that goes on that screws things up for people.  We need to rehabilitate people and give them experience, rather than just throw thoughts and ideals at them.  Action rather than words.

However, I can understand your resentment towards someone like this and why he might seem like a nightmare.  But he's hardly the leader of the KKK.

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so no you dont get it at all.

welp, there are some primaries tomorrow, huh? hawaii and wisconsin. obama supposed to win both, not by a huge margin though.
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There's a reason that US Health Care is awesome -- it's expensive and you get what you pay for.

I would prefer to have my leg taken care of ASAP.  Or hell, if I get cancer, that'd be nice to have treated right away.  You know, instead of dying while I'm waiting for my health care to take care of me.

hahaha. get the fuck out of this topic with shit like this.

WHO CARES IF MY HEALTH CARE IS SO EXPENSIVE IT LEAVES MILLIONS UNINSURED

who cares. i want my god damn flu shot asap no waiting for me bucko
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hahaha. get the fuck out of this topic with shit like this.

WHO CARES IF MY HEALTH CARE IS SO EXPENSIVE IT LEAVES MILLIONS UNINSURED

who cares. i want my god damn flu shot asap no waiting for me bucko

You know, most reasonable jobs provide decent insurance so it's almost next-to-nothing to pay for that kind of thing.  And you know, those benefits extend to the family pretty easily.  Now, let's just, for a second, read my other post about trying to make education better and cheaper, then I think more people would have access to decent jobs, and thus be able to take care of their families better.  However, if you decide that for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable to be a grocery store manager or something else that doesn't extend benefits, then maybe you should try to aspire towards something better.  Even better, marry someone who does.

And actually, as I recall, a friend of mine works for a grocery store as a manager and he gets reasonable benefits.

So because a few people have issues accessing health care, everyone else should get screwed over.  Especially when it's going to get a bunch of good doctors to quit because they won't get the type of money they deserve.

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You know, most reasonable jobs provide decent insurance so it's almost next-to-nothing to pay for that kind of thing.  And you know, those benefits extend to the family pretty easily.  Now, let's just, for a second, read my other post about trying to make education better and cheaper, then I think more people would have access to decent jobs, and thus be able to take care of their families better.  However, if you decide that for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable to be a grocery store manager or something else that doesn't extend benefits, then maybe you should try to aspire towards something better.  Even better, marry someone who does.

And actually, as I recall, a friend of mine works for a grocery store as a manager and he gets reasonable benefits.

So because a few people have issues accessing health care, everyone else should get screwed over.  Especially when it's going to get a bunch of good doctors to quit because they won't get the type of money they deserve.

--Terin

Those "few people" is only 40+ million people no biggy
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