Politics U.S Presidential Primary Thread (Read 20603 times)

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I guess the path is clear for you, buddy.  It's time to stop screwing around in college and get a real job to help support your family!
b...but I'm perfectly content frying and serving chicken fingers at the dining hall from 8PM-3AM !!!

edit: OK BACK ON TOPIC EVERYONE. DO NOT FOLLOW IN MY FOOTSTEPS
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Let's just all agree that terin is kind of an idiot and get back to primary issues i guess!
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so we now know that terin is a witch conservative.

when are the next obama sightings?
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There's a reason that US Health Care is awesome -- it's expensive and you get what you pay for.  Cuba...  Hmm.  Social health care.  Canada?  Same thing.  Then why is it that it takes you months to get your busted leg fixed in Canada?  Why did Fidel Castro get a doctor from outside of Canada?  I had a friend in Canada who had to wait a few months to get his broken/busted leg fixed and reset by the doctors because of the waiting list.
You know, you don't need to have experienced those health care systems firsthand in order to know what they're really like, but you do need to conduct the appropriate research first. I'm talking about reading studies and finding out what the situation really is like in those countries, then comparing them to your own and then determining whether either has benefits. That's research.

You just conclude that you're right based on what a friend told you.

Then again, you don't read the links we provide, you don't listen to the arguments we make, and you say you'd prefer a libertarian president because that means "things would change". It seems that you're an emotional voter, one who has a very shallow understanding of things but will gladly agree with a person who campaigns his views as though they are obviously good. Does being on the side of Ron Paul make you feel better because his following is essentially a minority that acts as though it knows a lot about politics?

You know, I don't even believe you're a minority now. Maybe you posted pictures in the Picture Topic before, I don't know, but it just strikes me as extremely implausible that someone who isn't white could support either Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee. You'd have to be really ignorant of the history of the U.S., the world and your race for that to be true.

EDIT: then again, you also think that Noah's Ark could have existed, so I could be wrong about that.

Ron Paul will bring Libertarian views to the US which would be a change of pace -- a very welcome change, in my opinion.
Would you support an anarchistic president?

Why not? They're quite similar. They're not the same, sure, but on a lot of fronts, they are in agreement. Libertarianism is sort of like "anarchism done right". On which fronts do you disagree with anarchism, and in what way do you think libertarianism solves that disagreement?
Last Edit: February 19, 2008, 07:35:55 am by Dada
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I've never encountered the follow-up visit thing, but my experience with specialist physicians is also very limited.  To be fair, though, even for a borderline lower-/middle-class family, $25 per visit is pretty inexpensive.  Realistically, how often would a person need to see an optometrist?

Besides the cost of the visit, theres also the medication which costs tons of money, especially if you have a chronic illness or something that requires constant medication.
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McCain wins Wisconsin.

Democratic race too early to call

edit: MSNBC call it for Obama.
Last Edit: February 20, 2008, 02:21:29 am by Ryan
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CNN also calls it for Obama.
10 win killing streak.

He is obviously going to win Hawaii.
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yes i wouldn't be surprised if hawaii broke 80/20
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As SA calls him, "The Wizard" Chuck Todd has been amazing this election season. I have learned so much more about politics and delegates from him than from any of the fluffed up "analysts" most networks put out there.
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please clarify me what was going on in Washington yesterday.
There were primaries going on? but didnt the primary already happen over there?
what's the deal?


Edit:
also, considering Obama has 2 challenges in 2 states, meaning the blue collars from ohio and the latinos from texas, I am under the impression that persuading the blue collars would be a much more easy task than the latinos.
He got more blucollar votes than hillary in Wisconsin
So I think he should do a big effort to win Ohio, it seems more factible than winning Texas, where he should try to keep the difference low
Last Edit: February 20, 2008, 07:32:24 am by DJ Soup
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The State of Washington has a law that each party has to have a primary and a Caucus. The Republicans split up their delegate allocation, while the Democrats decide to only award delegates based on performance in the caucus.
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Clinton is basically finished, guys. obama will more than likely win both ohio and texas. (or come within 5% of clinton, either way is considered a loss for hillary. she won't be able to catch him in pledged delegates.)

however, she won't drop out. she's going to stay in this until the convention.
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I like you confidence
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I like you confidence

unless something catastrophic happens to the obama campaign (dean scream?) i really can't see how clinton could win this thing. it's already almost impossible for her to win the pledged delegate count. and superdelegates handing the nomination to someone who hasn't won the pledged delegate count is political suicide.
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wait, I was under the impression Clinton was going to win in Texas by a fair margin???
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wait, I was under the impression Clinton was going to win in Texas by a fair margin???

latest polls (taken before his wins last night) have obama statistically tied in Texas. wisconsin has an almost identical population (demographics wise) as ohio. obama also outperformed most of the polls taken in wisconsin.

edit: also obama crushed clinton in every single demographic under 65 in wisconsin
Last Edit: February 20, 2008, 07:31:44 pm by Ryan
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hahaha. get the fuck out of this topic with shit like this.

WHO CARES IF MY HEALTH CARE IS SO EXPENSIVE IT LEAVES MILLIONS UNINSURED

who cares. i want my god damn flu shot asap no waiting for me bucko

My - way to keep the discussion civil.  Someone disagrees and you insult and shout them down.  If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it is "free."  The quality will go way down, and the availability will drop like a rock.  Many of the issues we have with healthcare are due to the government's involvement in the system.  It doesn't need to get any more involved, thanks.  If we aren't satisfied with the care received what opportunity would there be for us to go elsewhere?  Essentially what you are saying is that you don't care if it isn't available or quality - just as long as it is "free."  During times of tight budgets, it could be decided that your health care won't be covered on a whim and you would have no place to go and just have to suffer or die with no options.  I do not want my body to belong to Big Brother.  No thank you.  And "waiting" that you refer is to going from needing a diagnostic exam and getting it scheduled in a day or so or waiting months or even a year at a time - I'm sorry, but "less expensive" isn't exactly worth it if the test is needed to check for an ailment.

But if the polls are any indication at this time, you may just get your wish to have government controlled health care (or the flowery term "unverisal health care" as some like to call it to make it sound nice), so here's some of what we have to look forward to:

A&E patients left in ambulances for up to FIVE hours 'so trusts can meet government targets'
NHS patients face humiliating treatment
Hospital blunders 'kill 90,000 patients'
Cancer lottery
British woman banned from entering New Zealand because she is too fat
Record numbers go abroad for healthcare
I won't let Daddy die: Girl of six raises £4,000 for life-saving drugs the NHS won't provide
Weigh up the costs of private health care
Father delivered baby after partner was turned away from NHS hospital - TWICE
English pull own teeth as dental service decays
Patients turn to DIY dentistry as the crisis in NHS care deepens
The NHS wins when its patients die
Universal Care's Filthy Failure
NHS Rationing 'Leads To Patient Deaths
D’oh, Canada! (Canadian Politicos Prefer US For Their Health Care)
Patients suing province over wait times (Canadians flee to US for care)
Canada's Health Care Rebellion
Dentists refuse to treat bad teeth
Mother forced to give birth alone in toilet of 'flagship' NHS hospital
Woman, 108, must wait 18 months for hearing aid
The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
Universal health care: Is it worth the long waits?
A Canadian Doctor Describes How Socialized Medicine Doesn't Work
Anger over NHS plan to give addicts iPods
  Hospitals with a year-long waiting list
Great Britain: Morale "terrible" among doctors (poll of NHS Docs:69% wouldn't recommend MD career)
U.K. hospitals seeing maternity 'crisis'
Let me die, begged cancer patient, 85, left in her own mess (Socialized medicine nightmare)
The NHS scandal that cost a young boy's life
An NHS hospital has been penalised for treating its patients too quickly... (so if they don't make you wait a long time - they get reprimanded by the government!)
Revealed: the true scale of NHS cancer waiting times
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it just strikes me as extremely implausible that someone who isn't white could support either Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee. You'd have to be really ignorant of the history of the U.S., the world and your race for that to be true.

So his skin color should have something to do with his political viewpoints?  How is that not a racist comment on your part?
Last Edit: February 21, 2008, 05:08:23 am by RWildcat
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Wildcat, concerning your response to Dada:
recognition that the color of skin implies a politics of skin has nothing to do on whether Dada is racist or not.
That was a very uninformed and naif comment from your part
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civil discussions are overrated btw.  i'm so tired of seeing every reply from some random faggot prefaced with "Well, at least we're keeping things mature, heh" or some other smug reply insinuating that to call someone an idiot for saying something idiotic, or really, talk in any way that could not be considered HIGH ELVEN (ps i bet none of you talk like this in person), is somehow untoward.  this is just how people talk, man; it's natural.  neither of you sound natural.  mostly it just sounds faked.


basically i only know one way to live............. and that's passionately.

also how is it racist for a person to expect that NO PERSON OF AN ETHNIC BACKGROUND would ever vote for an openly racist candidate?  are you kidding me?
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would like to point out that among RWildcat's articles (half of which are things that happen in the US at greater frequency) are links to notorious right wing site free republic, which has advocated easily some of the most deplorable positions ever. chances are, this list came from free republic.

hey tex, wanna go head to head with mistreatments under privatized health care?

of course you don't, because the people who hide behind big walls of links are also the people who don't bother to read them!
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