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Revolutionist

#1301 March 10, 2008, 09:11:06 pm

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Quote from: Dada on March 09, 2008, 11:21:25 am

"Not even a frontrunner"? Well, no, with barely 20 delegates, it's hard to call anyone a frontrunner. You almost make it seem as though you're disappointed.

Disappointed that he wasn't able to be competitive yes because I liked him the most out of all of the peeps trying to run for President but oh well... Obama is my next favourite though.

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Ryan

#1302 March 10, 2008, 09:29:40 pm

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Quote from: Revolutionist on March 10, 2008, 09:11:06 pm

Disappointed that he wasn't able to be competitive yes because I liked him the most out of all of the peeps trying to run for President but oh well... Obama is my next favourite though.

..aren't you black man?

you realize ron paul thinks you are a fleet footed thief who is ruining america

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#1303 March 10, 2008, 09:30:11 pm

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IT BEGINS AGAIN.

i just wish i could understand why ron paul fans think obama, a pretty clear establishment candidate, is the one they most fall in line with.

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#1304 March 10, 2008, 09:34:27 pm

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rloveutionist ha haaa that was too easy

really though dude, read the topic, we've gone over how horrible ron paul is and how incredibly different he is from Obama (or any democrat) over and over again

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Quest-Master

#1305 March 10, 2008, 09:38:47 pm

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Quote from: Omega the Unknown on March 10, 2008, 09:30:11 pm

IT BEGINS AGAIN.

i just wish i could understand why ron paul fans think obama, a pretty clear establishment candidate, is the one they most fall in line with.

I'm thinking it might be his general anti-war (or at least Iraq war) convictions, and how strong they are in comparison to Clinton's or McCain's (heh). Considering how much emphasis was put specifically on that on Ron Paul's campaign in stark contrast to the rest of the Republicans, which brought in a pretty big amount of young people from what I've observed, it really wouldn't surprise me that much. And though Obama is definitely an establishment candidate completely opposite of Ron Paul on the political spectrum, I'm guessing his dedication to protecting civil liberties excites some typical libertarians too.

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headphonics

#1306 March 10, 2008, 09:51:42 pm

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do you guys seriously expect anyone to READ THIS ENTIRE TOPIC at this point

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#1307 March 10, 2008, 09:53:52 pm

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no but if I knew absolutely nothing about the candidates I'd skim through or at least look them up, we have a ron paul argument like every page

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Ryan

#1308 March 10, 2008, 10:00:48 pm

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Quote from: bazookatooth on March 10, 2008, 09:51:42 pm

do you guys seriously expect anyone to READ THIS ENTIRE TOPIC at this point

no but there's been probably 10 or so ron paul arguments. several have been in the last 5 or 6 pages!

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#1309 March 10, 2008, 10:05:43 pm

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yeah there was just a rather good knocking down on page 31, so it's not out of line to expect someone to read that far back!

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#1310 March 10, 2008, 10:12:08 pm

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well

if you were revolutionist, you'd probably think you knew enough about ron paul already, since he said he supported him, and i'd imagine that means that he didn't suspect he was openly racist. it's not like anyone who supports bad candidates for the wrong reasons realizes at the time that they're uninformed, otherwise they probably wouldn't support them to begin with. you also wouldn't know that there've been numerous ron paul arguments in the thread already! 35 pages is a pretty daunting number, so i honestly can't blame people for not going over an entire topic before making a post about the candidate they support, just to make sure that no one has argued about him before. what would you even go back five to ten pages to look for? evidence ron paul is a bigot that you never even suspected existed, and therefore had no reason to look for? arguments about him based on said evidence that you wouldn't have known would take place?

but yeah i find myself not being too surprised that revolutionist would turn out to be a ron paul supporter. if you don't actively go looking for facts about him, and just take a glance at his ideas on a superficial level, and don't know enough about politics or economics to understand that they are fundamentally bad ideas, he could probably sound pretty refreshing. i've heard people immediately dismiss the news letters as slanderous propaganda/smear techniques, and if you don't know that they're ACTUALLY REAL, this is probably a pretty easy conclusion to come to.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#1311 March 10, 2008, 10:16:34 pm

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I'm surprised because his racist allegations pretty much killed the campaign and that fleet flooted blacks quote is pretty famous with supporters and detractors alike, and I can't imagine how you could justify it if you were a minority.

also I guess I expected more from revolutionist.......

rEVOLutionist.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#1312 March 10, 2008, 10:17:13 pm

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and you are right, but no one cares to make a forum about it where there would probably be a sticky with all the ron paul stuff so we pretty much post everything political in two or three topics that grow three times faster than any other.

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dada

#1313 March 10, 2008, 11:21:16 pm

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Quote from: Revolutionist on March 10, 2008, 09:11:06 pm

Disappointed that he wasn't able to be competitive yes because I liked him the most out of all of the peeps trying to run for President but oh well... Obama is my next favourite though.

We've been through this a few times so I won't go into detail, but there is something wrong with what you're saying here. Basically, you're saying that Paul is your favorite candidate, but that Obama is your second favorite. However, Paul is on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. He wants to practically abolish most of the federal government, as per his libertarian beliefs, whereas Obama is a social democrat. There are actually no two candidates further apart than these two.

This isn't my opinion, either. Both will gladly agree that it's true. So if you like both of them so much, it must mean your reasons are emotional as opposed to intellectual.

Am I wrong?

EDIT: by the way, who agrees with me that Paul supporters switching to Obama is the greatest hilarity of this entire presidential election?

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Wil

#1314 March 10, 2008, 11:39:09 pm

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I thought Quest-Master kind of addressed how it's conceivable for someone to switch from Paul to Obama.

I think the GREATEST hilarity in the election is just that there was any support for Ron Paul demagogue to begin with. My friend here at university has been so glazed over by his dreamy rhetoric concerning "liberties" and "freedom", that he fails to realize how counterintuitive his policies truly ARE to those principles.

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#1315 March 10, 2008, 11:52:11 pm

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Quote from: Wil on March 10, 2008, 11:39:09 pm

I thought Quest-Master kind of addressed how it's conceivable for someone to switch from Paul to Obama.

Yes, he addressed some reasons, but they're not particularly strong. I don't see how anyone can switch from Paul to Obama without being either completely oblivious to what politics are and how they work, or being so completely blinded by their single issue that they can't see that they differ strongly even there. (Paul wants to pull out all the U.S. troops because he disagrees with that policy, which will undoubtedly cause a shock wave of unrest and instability to be sent through the world, whereas Obama has a much sounder and, if you will, normal policy that also involves leaving Iraq in due time.)

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Wil

#1316 March 11, 2008, 12:35:24 am

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Quote from: Dada on March 10, 2008, 11:52:11 pm

completely oblivious to what politics are and how they work, or being so completely blinded by their single issue that they can't see that they differ strongly even there

American voters

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Quest-Master

#1317 March 11, 2008, 01:40:48 am

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I only pointed those facts out earlier to try and demystify some of the reasons why they may be switching over. Not saying at all that I believe they are valid reasons, let alone their strength, but based on what I've observed in other online communities and heard from some Paul supporters I know in real life, those are exactly the reasons why.

And the truth is, yeah, American voters can be easily swayed by views on very few issues. I'm pretty sure his complete and total anti-war leanings (only matched in scale by other "nuts" like Kucinich and Gravel) were a huge factor in his wide support among youth.

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The Truth

#1318 March 11, 2008, 02:04:33 am

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i think this is a pretty good example of how a political/debate forum would be great.

like sa does we could close the primary thread and make new ones when it got too big.

i like the idea now.

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Ryan

#1319 March 11, 2008, 02:06:29 am

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yeah but alas unless someone buys it it doesn't look like it's gonna happen

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#1320 March 11, 2008, 02:43:06 am

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thanks admins you @$$holes... thanks for nothing

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