RPG Final Fantasy 11 (Read 820 times)

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Well well I just aquired a copy of FF online and for the first time ever since I joined gw I have a faster connection than 56k so I am pretty keen to play it.
However it is massive to install and you have to pay cashmoney! So just curious is the game itself any good? I've never heard anyone mention it much so I'm unsure whether ff online is worth getting into.
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It's an MMORPG... so no. As a stand alone game... it can't be any good. The 'gameplay' is designed for you to grind your ass off to farm monies and exps for an extended amount of time (ie months) and there is very little in the way of content that can be experianced without getting your shit together first. And that takes months. The game is designed to keep your subscription up by forcing you through obscene grinds for exps and monies. To play test different classes and builds. That sort of thing. The only redeeming factors mmorpgs have are in their communities... and if you don't enjoy the competitive/ drama/ etc aspects of them... you will get bored of the game really soon. Long before experiencing the what the game truly has to offer.

I happen to like that sort of thing.... but I would never recommend these types of games. Feel free to ask around for a high rate private server though. Not only is it free.... but it gives you a better idea as to what you are getting into.
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touch this game

I'm sorry but it sucks. It really does. I know some people here will say NO DS UR WRONG but it sucks. It's tedious as fuck, it takes forever to do anything and after first 10-15 levels or so, soloing gets impossible so you are forced to party with other players. Sometimes this can mean waiting 2 hours for a party only to find leveling is really slow because 1) the game sucks and 2) your party sucks.

Also, the world is really bland. You can't jump, swim or do anything like that. There's little to no exploration in FF11, it's all about finding a spot where to grind mobs. The story is apparently very good (I never got that far in it) but there aren't that many story related missions to make it worth hundreds of hours of UGH NO MORE PLEASE.

By the way, I never got past level 30. People always say the game gets better after level 30. I don't really see why though. I play loads of RPG's (my fav genre) and I couldn't stand the game to get to 30. I liked it for the first 50 hours or so and then it just got more and more boring. I suppose there are some good things about it too, like it's pretty challenging and has great OST but overall, it is not worth it. It is so not worth it.

EDIT: Actually I have heard the game has changed (a lot) since I played it so it might be better now. But if you want to play a MMORPG, WoW is so much better. Or you could wait for Age of Conan, it's coming out in 2-3 months and looks promising.

Also, nothing is more fun than waiting 12 minutes for a ship to arrive and then spending another 12 minutes on the ship. And then you'll realize that you actually spent half an hour doing absolutely nothing.
Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 07:48:36 am by DragonSlayer
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I played FFXI for a pretty damn long time. If you're a patient person, it's a fairly fun game.

The first 10 levels will be you soloing for the most part. Around level 10-12, you head out and start partying, which is the primary method of gaining EXP from then on, unless you happen to be a Red Mage or Beastmaster (have to be level 30 with one job to unlock Beastmaster). If you do decide to solo, it'll be slower than partying. Leveling is a pain sometimes and you'll occasionally find yourself looking for a party for a long time, unless you happen to be one of the more necessary classes (White/Red/Black Mage, Bard, Paladin, and occasionally Thief). However, this isn't really an issue until you start getting into the later levels (around 35-40-ish). I've had times when I'd be on for two hours looking for a group without any luck (I was a Dragoon and they were considered gimp back then). In times like these, I'd just jump on my other computer and work on my game or play something.

FFXI has two things that most MMOs don't have. First of all, it has a pretty good story for an MMO. It starts of somewhat slow, but it picks up once you get rank 3 and start doing those missions. Cutscenes become pretty cool as well, something which most MMOs don't even have.

The second thing FFXI has is a great community. Unlike WoW or most other MMOs, adults tend to play XI more often than kids. This means more mature players, which results in a more pleasant experience. And although leveling can get tedious at times, the fact that you'll have 5 fairly intelligent and (usually) sociable people with you means that it isn't all that bad.

The graphics in XI are very good compared to most MMOs, and that's a plus (I personally can't stand WoW's or any other 3D MMO's graphics after playing XI). There are actually a lot of places to explore in XI but most of the stuff you find (occasionally you'll find stuff like goblin tracks, artifacts, etc.) isn't accessible until the later levels, so while there are many places to explore, you probably won't be doing much interaction early on.

It is a grindfest at times so if you want instant gratification or don't have much time to devote to playing (you'll usually be in one party for 1-4 hours), games like WoW are a better alternative since they involve much less grinding. I'm currently playing WoW, but if I had more time to waste (college student working part time), I'd definitely be back playing XI instead.

Most people are turned off by the time you have to devote to it, so if you're like most people, you won't like it much. If you do decide to start playing, join a linkshell (the guilds of FFXI). Playing by yourself without much interaction gets boring very fast (this is true of any MMO) and is the reason I quit playing XI the first time. Having people to talk to will make the experience much better and you'll be able to get help for quests and missions. Make sure you pick a job you'll like to be your main. I did Dragoon just because I loved their jumps, wyverns, and fairly nice burst damage.

@DS: About the last boat comment...you could always pick up fishing and fish while you're on the boat. Boats sometimes get attacked too, so there's always the option to fight the monsters off (usually not possible at lower levels though). Plus, once you hit rank 4 (or maybe 5, can't remember), you get to ride in airships and they have a much shorter wait and take only 3 minutes to ride. And the reason the game gets more fun past the 30's is that the story becomes more interesting, the more childish players stop playing, you start to get a bunch of good abilities/gear, battles become more challenging and require teamwork and strategy instead of the standard auto-attack, and you get to start doing BCNMs (which are tough little boss fights with pretty good rewards). PvP also opens up (which is basically like a sport with killing) and that's one of the best aspects of the game IMO.
Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 08:32:16 am by Sarhan
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NEVER
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touch this game

I'm sorry but it sucks. It really does. I know some people here will say NO DS UR WRONG but it sucks. It's tedious as fuck, it takes forever to do anything and after first 10-15 levels or so, soloing gets impossible so you are forced to party with other players. Sometimes this can mean waiting 2 hours for a party only to find leveling is really slow because 1) the game sucks and 2) your party sucks.

Also, the world is really bland. You can't jump, swim or do anything like that. There's little to no exploration in FF11, it's all about finding a spot where to grind mobs. The story is apparently very good (I never got that far in it) but there aren't that many story related missions to make it worth hundreds of hours of UGH NO MORE PLEASE.

By the way, I never got past level 30. People always say the game gets better after level 30. I don't really see why though. I play loads of RPG's (my fav genre) and I couldn't stand the game to get to 30. I liked it for the first 50 hours or so and then it just got more and more boring. I suppose there are some good things about it too, like it's pretty challenging and has great OST but overall, it is not worth it. It is so not worth it.

EDIT: Actually I have heard the game has changed (a lot) since I played it so it might be better now. But if you want to play a MMORPG, WoW is so much better. Or you could wait for Age of Conan, it's coming out in 2-3 months and looks promising.

Also, nothing is more fun than waiting 12 minutes for a ship to arrive and then spending another 12 minutes on the ship. And then you'll realize that you actually spent half an hour doing absolutely nothing.

Agreed. This game is horrible. Get WoW or GW.
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The second thing FFXI has is a great community. Unlike WoW or most other MMOs, adults tend to play XI more often than kids. This means more mature players, which results in a more pleasant experience. And although leveling can get tedious at times, the fact that you'll have 5 fairly intelligent and (usually) sociable people with you means that it isn't all that bad.
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more like it.....
Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 08:45:41 am by DragonSlayer
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Jojowawaru: (Hello)
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Sazuke: (Japanese only)
Kurowimi: 仮借文字極

more like it.....

Only if you play past midnight when the Japanese players start playing. Either way, most Japanese players won't kick you just because you aren't Japanese. It happens more often at lower levels though since most of them assume that the player doesn't know what they're doing (most JP players have a bunch of 75's and are high rank compared to US players since they got the game first).

Regardless, most people don't like the game. I enjoyed it because it felt different than most MMOs. It is a grindfest though, that's for sure, and it's a huge turn-off. IMO, if they made the battle system like FFXII (same speed and everything, lowering the difficulty and EXP of monsters slightly so you could kill more faster), the game itself would be ten times better.
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Also my registration codes aren't working (I hear this is quite common) If anyone could get me a key gen or knows of some codes then please pm me as it would be much appreciated.
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Also my registration codes aren't working (I hear this is quite common) If anyone could get me a key gen or knows of some codes then please pm me as it would be much appreciated.
seriously man it is awful.  don't play it.
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Also my registration codes aren't working (I hear this is quite common) If anyone could get me a key gen or knows of some codes then please pm me as it would be much appreciated.

As far as I know, there are no keygens for it. I've never had this problem personally and I've had to buy two copies but maybe it's different since it's been so long. Make sure you're entering the right codes in the right areas (they give you like 4-5 codes in the booklet). If I remember correctly, you don't have to type in the registration code for the main game (only the expansions/TCG), but I'm not 100% on this since it's been a while.
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I'm currently playing this and I can tell you Chainer and Sarhan are pretty right on, it doesn't really stray that far from the average MMO formula and is perhaps a bit slower then most, due to the job system that requires you to level multiple jobs even if you only want to  take one to 75(max level). Finding a good linkshell can help a lot(fortunetly when i start i had rl friends who been playing since the release) since finding a pick-up party for the tough mission and quests, unless it gives out really good shit that people want.  And yes improvements have been made for soloing, the biggest one being that as long as you have Signet on you get a defense and evasion bonus against 'even match' mobs.  There some other stuff but i can't remember them right now.
As for your problem with your key, the only trouble i had was when i was registering the expansion and i forgot to capitalize... i hope that isn't your problem, because i felt pretty stupid when i figured it out.
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this game sounds absolutely awful. i get the appeal of playing in an rpg world with millions of other players, but i don't know why anyone puts up with this level grinding shit. the whole thing just sounds like "YOU HAVE THE WORLD AT YOUR FEET...PLEASE WAIT."
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If you want a quick and fun MMORPG then get Tabula Rasa.  It has some minor bugs and issues (right now) but this thing is a blast to play and the sci-fi fantasy setting is a breath of fresh air.
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This game is really, really horrible.
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Well the game itself is relatively fun for the first few levels... But after that it quickly becomes an aquired taste.

I soloed 4 jobs to 75 and every other job atleast 5 levels after 45. That being said; who ever said it is "impossible to solo" obviously never actually tried all methods possible. I will admit it certainly takes a long to do various things, leveling included. Leveling can be fun if you are avid at soloing. However, in parties you are expected to performed certain task based of your job and only those tasks. You are also expected to have good equipment and always bring buffing items (food). Because of this, party(ing) became boring very quickly for me and I decided to just solo.

As for game content... Yea... I really gotta be honest here... You need to have at least 1 job at 70 to have full unhindered access to 90% of the games content. Much of the content in the game revolves around being 50 or higher and working in a group. There are exceptions, but even those require an obnoxious amounts of planning and a hefty amount of in game money. Speaking of in game money, its been incredibly hard to make since mid 2004 till the time I got banned (november 28th)

In all honesty I recommend you don't start playing. Why? Because nearly everyone in game has at least 1 level 75 job and nearly everyone only cares about endgame content now. You will probably be very hard pressed to find people to help out with earlier missions that generally require 4 or more people. I soloed most of the missions and quest/mission battles but it took multiple tries and excessive planning. Furthermore, even if you managed to solo most battles to endgame(kinda like what I did) nothing is waiting at the end for a solo player. EVERYTHING at endgame requires a full party(6 people) to multiple alliances(18 people each). The only you can do solo end game is solo exp mobs better. But at that point all you can get is "merits" which marginally increase your stats, yet cost massive amounts of exp.

Hate to sound pessimistic but its the cold hard truth.

Edit: Forgot to mention something about FFXI. Monsters... Normal monsters at your level will have less hp and weaker stats than you early on, but their HP and stats will surpass yours around the 14-18 no matter what you do. Here are some examples;

At level 10 you will generally have 100-250 hp depending on your job/race. Monsters at your level will hit slightly lighter than you do and have 150-200hp

In the 40s range you will have like 500-1000 hp depending on your job/gear/race. However, a monster your level will generally always hit harder than you can unless you use a 2 handed weapon(hits 1/2 as fast) or use Strictly attack gear and buffs. Even if you do the monster's damage will still probably be higher because you sacrifice so much defense to push up your attack. To make matters worse, the monsters will have 2000-3500 hp at your level. Yes, you read right; 2000-3000hp.

Finaly in the 70s monsters hit much harder than you can even when you are the same level. They will also have 4000-9000hp. The most I have EVER seen a player get was 2700HP and that was using the job/race that has the most HP with strictly + max HP buffs and gear. Most people will probably have 1100-1600hp at 75(highest level when I left.)

Wondering why I added this edit? Well as you can imagine when monsters get more and more hp and stats faster than you do, it becomes harder and harder to solo for the same ammount of exp, but the exp needed to level goes up REAL fast after you hit 50. From like 18 to 50 the exp needed only goes up by 100 per level. However after level 50 it starts going up by a 1000 per level. It only goes up from there too. Monsters don't give you a set ammount of exp either. They give exp based strictly on your level compared to theirs. A monster your level will always give you 100 if you solo it regardless if you are level 1 or level 75
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yeah i used to play this BACK IN THE DAY with ds and blizz and krin. it's not really that good and i quit after a few months!
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The worst part about FF11 is easily the mobs. Just.. my god.

Alright, so when it comes to partying, you'll rally your fellow adventurers and head out into the world. But don't be confused, you and your friends are still a bunch of pussies as far as the game is concerned; the majority of the time you'll be doing single pulls, and then watch the epicness unfold as 5 people fight to the death with a single DIRE JACKRABBIT (seriously there are like a dozen different models for the monsters). And then if your team somehow didn't expend all of their mana and HP fighting the rabbit, you can pull another one and kill it fast enough for an extra TEN PERCENT EXPERIENCE (jackpot). Plus there is no rhyme or reason to the mob placement; almost every zone will have a handful of creatures that are just guaranteed to kill you if they aggro and have no place there.

I'm more a fan of the newer gameplay style MMOs with combating multiple mobs and SOLOING things around my level, but feel free to try it if you really want.
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I've got the game, and I struggle to keep interest in it since the leveling takes FOREVER when you
solo.. and it takes FOREVER to find a good group (even one at all) for a group exp thingy..

Warning: Your group exp gets sapped GREATLY when you have a group consisting of more than
three different levels in your group, such as 10-13. You want to always keep within the "restriction"
of the levels, that is if you want to level at a DECENT pace. I am only lvl 32 on my warrior, so I should
look for a group of people with a minimum level of 30, or a maximum of 34.
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Hmm forgot about the monster graphics part! Yea they reuse the skin of a monster for all monsters in in that mob's family! The only difference is that make them slightly larger...

They had a plausible excuse back in the day but now its kinda retarded....
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