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I might be stupid on several other subjects but I know how a CD or a vinyl disc works without using painting analogies
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I might be stupid on several other subjects but I know how a CD or a vinyl disc works without using painting analogies
according to this thread apparently not!
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Hahaha very funny. But if you read on how CDs and vinyls and sampling rates (for audio) work you'll find out I'm right.
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Hahaha very funny. But if you read on how CDs and vinyls and sampling rates (for audio) work you'll find out I'm right.
yeah thanks for telling the music technology student to go read up.
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Then if you know so much then please explain how they work then so that everyone knows them instead of LOL IM MUSIC TECHNOLOGY STUDENT IM BETTA THAN YOU
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Then if you know so much then please explain how they work then so that everyone knows them instead of LOL IM MUSIC TECHNOLOGY STUDENT IM BETTA THAN YOU
There's nothing I can say that Lyndon hasn't already said (quite brilliantly, I might add), you should start listening to him!

Also I much prefer "LOL IM MUSIC TECHNOLOGY STUDENT IM BETTA THAN YOU" to "LOL IM RIGHT IM BETTA THAN YOU"
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Yes Rockman but just choose what facts you're denying:

- CDs have a better dynamic range than LPs
- You can't tell the difference between 96khz and 44khz sampling rates
- CDs have a higher fidelity than LPs and therefore they have a better sound quality
- The fact of thinking LPs are better is subjective
- CDs are better period
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- CDs have a better dynamic range than LPs - Because vinyl records are an analog format, they do not have an audio bit depth by their nature.
- You can't tell the difference between 96khz and 44khz sampling rates - No, you can't tell the difference.
- CDs have a higher fidelity than LPs and therefore they have a better sound quality - Not necessarily. It depends on the original recording. A poor recording will remain a poor recording, regardless of fidelity. Also it's ironic that you use an outdated term when trying to argue that vinyl records are outdated!
- The fact of thinking LPs are better is subjective - What you are trying to say is that one's opinion of both vinyl records and CDs is subjective. That's what an opinion is. It doesn't change the facts.
- CDs are better period - Wow, what a fantastic argument.
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LPs would only be "better just because they're analog" in an ideal world, in theory only, in the real world they're not.
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LPs would only be "better just because they're analog" in an ideal world, in theory only, in the real world they're not.
Who said that? I see not those words!
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I don't remember saying anything about "bit depth" either


Dynamic range of vinyl: 65 db
Dynamic range of CD: 90 db

CD wins.
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I don't remember saying anything about "bit depth" either
Audio bit depth is the maximum dynamic range of digital audio (as is on a CD), but is just a projected measurement (as is about to be explained), while with analog audio an actual measurement can be used. This is because with modern recording techniques, unused with vinyl records, the dynamic range is limited with audio level compressors, allowing for louder volume but diminishing the dynamic range and making a recording less exciting and somewhat stunted (as was said earlier). Therefore CDs actually have less of a dynamic range than vinyl records. So...
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LPs would only be "better just because they're analog" in an ideal world, in theory only, in the real world they're not.
...is actually the wrong way round. CDs lose.
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But nobody is forcing anyone to compress the sound before putting it in a CD, rockman. This is just a marketing strategy that didn't exist when LPs weren't obsolete. CDs win.

Also, blind tests have confirmed that listeners cannot tell the difference between the quality of a CD and a LP, therefore CD wins again for several other reasons AND they have more potential for high-fidelity recordings.
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But nobody is forcing anyone to compress the sound before putting it in a CD, rockman. This is just a marketing strategy that didn't exist when LPs weren't obsolete.
This is correct, but no one does because it is the modern recording standard to use level compressors. It's not a marketing strategy, it's an institutional convention. It's also not one rule for us and another for you, Inri, as you said earlier that...
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LPs would only be "better just because they're analog" in an ideal world
...CDs would only be better in an ideal world, where level compressors were no longer used.
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Also, blind tests have confirmed that listeners cannot tell the difference between the quality of a CD and a LP, therefore CD wins again for several other reasons
This brings it down to opinion again. Also this is a very shaky conclusion, considering that you are not specifying these reasons, something which you asked me to do (rudely, I might add!)

So, one must disregard the specific content of the vinyl record or CD in question, which can vary dramatically. With the same audio content, however, vinyl wins every time.
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This is correct, but no one does because it is the modern recording standard to use level compressors. It's also not one rule for us and another for you, Inri, as you said

But CDs do not need them to work

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earlier that......CDs would only be better in an ideal world, where level compressors were no longer used.

But what if they put compressed sounds in a LP. Will it become a worse recording medium just because of that?

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This brings it down to opinion again. Also this is a very shaky conclusion, considering that you are not specifying these reasons, something which you asked me to do (rudely, I might add!)

You cannot recycle vinyl discs.
CDs are smaller.
You can uses CDs as mirrors, you can even make a periscope with them
You can pirate CDs at home
You can record CDs at home and it doesn't even need some huge and complicated machinery

But they still have the disavantage that they cannot be made of chocolate like LPs

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So, one must disregard the specific content of the vinyl record or CD in question, which can vary dramatically. With the same audio content, however, vinyl wins every time.

Only for you LP worshippers
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I'm not sure where you are failing to see the problem here. I actually thought it was common knowledge that Vinyls, in mint condition have a truer sound. Why do you think they still manafacture a limited supply of vinyls if the quality was inferior to digital?
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But CDs do not need them to work
I didn't say they did, straw man.
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But what if they put compressed sounds in a LP. Will it become a worse recording medium just because of that?
But what if they put uncompressed sounds on a CD? Will it become a better recording medium just because of that?
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You cannot recycle vinyl discs.
Giving them to others when you no longer want them. They can also be fashioned into a number of other objects.
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CDs are smaller.
What does this have to do with anything?
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You can uses CDs as mirrors, you can even make a periscope with them
What does this have to do with anything?
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You can pirate CDs at home
Just as you can with vinyl records.
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You can record CDs at home and it doesn't even need some huge and complicated machinery
Yeah, computers aren't huge and complicated at all.
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I didn't say they did, straw man.

Yes but nobody cares about current day recording and mastering practices
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But what if they put uncompressed sounds on a CD? Will it become a better recording medium just because of that?

No, it will remain the same thing, it will still be better than vinyl discs

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Giving them to others when you no longer want them.

What if someone forgets them under the sun and they become warpped and unplayable?

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What does this have to do with anything?


Well how many LPs can you put inside your pocket? I can put a lot of CDs inside mine and I like that, it's more practical.

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What does this have to do with anything?

It's just an advantage they have

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Just as you can with vinyl records.

But it will have to be either into a CD or a cassete tape

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Yeah, computers aren't huge and complicated at all.


If your computer is larger than this then I must admit it's HUGE
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Yes but nobody cares about current day recording and mastering practices
Maybe you don't, because it doesn't fit your crusade against vinyl records! It is, however, utterly relevant to this discussion.
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No, it will remain the same thing, it will still be better than vinyl discs
So you keep saying, yet you have not provided any viable evidence.
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What if someone forgets them under the sun and they become warpped and unplayable?
The same can happen with CDs. Also interesting how you conveniently ignored what was after that, which I believe answers your question very well.
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Well how many LPs can you put inside your pocket? I can put a lot of CDs inside mine and I like that, it's more practical.
Christ, how big are your pockets? I can't fit any CDs inside mine.
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It's just an advantage they have
It serves no purpose in the context of this argument.
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But it will have to be either into a CD or a cassete tape
Untrue! You should do your research before spouting things! (I have one of these, they are great)
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photographs of superceded vinyl record production machinery

If your computer is larger than this then I must admit it's HUGE
I didn't say that, straw man. That also doesn't make a computer any smaller nor any less complicated.