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Maybe if we were a little more intellectual and educated, then we wouldn't be as religous.
Or you'd be Deists.
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Unfair representation.

Our system of government classifies Americans as either one of two things:

1: A liberal

or

2: A conservative

There's absolutely no fucking inbetween.  You cannot be religious yet be pro-life.  You cannot accept homosexual marriages yet demand a quota on immigrants.  Everything we do and the people that represent us must be either on the left or right, never the middle.  We cannot vote on a single bill, it has to be compounded with several other bills and voted at once.  The president has little power to change any one thing because there's 50 people who are split down the fucking middle about it.  We're the most diverse country in the world but we're so fucking confused about our heritage that we choose to ignore it.  Those that do embrace their heritage, embrace the extremist side of it and completely forget that EVERYONE except the Natives moved here on a boat.  There's too many politicians that represent America and not enough politicians that represent the people.

How do we fix this?  Completely change our system of government... but that won't happen anytime soon.  Personally, I favor socialism but every politician in America is bat shit afraid that any talks of foreign government will completely and utterly topple the very foundation this country has built up for itself. 

God forbid a poor underdeveloped communist country should continue to exist.  They may one day destroy a leading superpower!

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Maybe if we were a little more intellectual and educated, then we wouldn't be as religous.

Maybe if you were a little more intellectual and educated you'd realise that people are religious because they fucking choose to be not because there's no other options.  You don't wake up and say "HOLY SHIT I WANT TO BE A THEIST" it's something that happens naturally.  You can bring up the "well, i was raised so and so" argument but people like that aren't really religious they're just following what their parents are saying.  People who grew up in a faith based family that became atheist are no different than people raised in an atheist family that became theist.  It's a personal thing and I never understood why dumb fucks who consider themselves "educated" never got that.
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I think that (apart from obvious shit like health care, gun laws, the broken two party system, etc.) one of the biggest things wrong with the US is that it's the only country in the world that constantly tells itself that it's the greatest country in the world and with the greatest people in the world. So many politicians do this (even the good ones) and it has always kind of bugged me in a way. Maybe some Americans should stop telling themselves that they're so great and start acting like it (not blowing up brown people is a start).

actuallly canbada has a free healthcare system anbd we can all get free health here lol. But yeah the guns aren't so bad because I'e never been shot or something. I hear TO(toronto) has some crime though??

Maybe america should just get rid of the terrorists and actually do what tyhey say!

Not sure though. Our drug laws arep pretty lax... What do you think??
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A rejection of socialism on a misled moral basis is what's wrong with America. Mind you America has been one of the most libertarian nations on earth unp until WW2, and things for Americans functioned well up until then. America worked best when no one was in chrage, and the government and army was small. It was the hypercapitalism/hyperpatriotism fueled by the Cold War and a Kennet/Reganist world view (every other nation is insane except ours) that has poisoned the American culture in the minds of other nations and its own populace as to thier ignorance of the world and the belief in the saving grace of thier own system when they can't even afford to go to the hospital when they get sick.

I do respect the traditional American system (pre-1940s America) that had a more hands off apporach to the running of the nation, and inspiring rather than indoctrinating certain values in thier populace. Today things are much different. I think its a long way back to a sane and stable America though.



This, and I think the answer is take a lot of power away from the president. No one cared when we gave it to FDR because we were fucked anyway and he was a good guy, but then instead of giving power back to congress we just keep giving power to the president. I think we need more people arguing so when someone comes up with a stupid ridiculous idea some one will actually be standing in the way.
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The thing about the 2 party system is, it doesn't HAVE to be 2 party. We the people have the power to vote for anybody we want. And there are a dozen major canidates every 4 years. There is the socialists, the libertarians(sp?), the green party, the reform party, I'm sure I'm missing some. The problem isn't the 2 party system. The problem we VOTE for only Rep. or Dem.

We have the power to change how things work, we just don't. The closest anyone has come in the last few decades was Ross Perot in '92 when he got 10 percent of the pop vote.
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The thing about the 2 party system is, it doesn't HAVE to be 2 party. We the people have the power to vote for anybody we want. And there are a dozen major canidates every 4 years. There is the socialists, the libertarians(sp?), the green party, the reform party, I'm sure I'm missing some. The problem isn't the 2 party system. The problem we VOTE for only Rep. or Dem.

We have the power to change how things work, we just don't. The closest anyone has come in the last few decades was Ross Perot in '92 when he got 10 percent of the pop vote.

wrong. it doesnt have to be two party because if it was three party the most amount of people that could be happy is 34%, which leaves alot of people pissed off. also, most of the goals of third parties are just to have the bigger parties take up the flag for their cause.
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wrong. it doesnt have to be two party because if it was three party the most amount of people that could be happy is 34%, which leaves alot of people pissed off. also, most of the goals of third parties are just to have the bigger parties take up the flag for their cause.

And yet you still have 50% of the people pissed off which leads back to my argument that the entire country is split down the middle.  Why is it that we have parties in the first place?  Is it not enough to vote for somebody because *gasp* they have good ideas?  I vote conservative because I'm in the military and democrats INSTANTLY shaft the military because this is how shit works.  Despite voting conservative, I'm pro-choice... but I'm also against gun control.  WHERE THE FUCK DOES THIS PUT ME??  A conservative who's pro-choice or a liberal who's against gun control is instantly ignored by the public because it goes against the stereotype we hold about the different parties.  The whole point of a government is to provide to the people the means to provide for themselves (IMO) but instead this government only provides the means to half the people and shafts the other half.

Shit doesn't add up.
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hahahahahaha, MARCUS IS A BLACK REPUBLICAN.

you should be ashamed of yourself.
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oops, i meant to say we DO have to have two parties, but i think you got what i was saying. my history teacher explained to us the other day why candidates have become so extreme but i can't for the life of me remember.
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If you were going to interview the President, not George Bush, but the President in general, what serious questions would you ask (about the current state of things)? What response would you want (what response would YOU give)? What would you do if you were President?

And this is not for any work or school related project, so don't feel like I'm asking you to do an assignment for me. Just subject matter I am interested in.

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And yet you still have 50% of the people pissed off which leads back to my argument that the entire country is split down the middle.  Why is it that we have parties in the first place?  Is it not enough to vote for somebody because *gasp* they have good ideas?  I vote conservative because I'm in the military and democrats INSTANTLY shaft the military because this is how shit works.  Despite voting conservative, I'm pro-choice... but I'm also against gun control.  WHERE THE FUCK DOES THIS PUT ME??  A conservative who's pro-choice or a liberal who's against gun control is instantly ignored by the public because it goes against the stereotype we hold about the different parties.  The whole point of a government is to provide to the people the means to provide for themselves (IMO) but instead this government only provides the means to half the people and shafts the other half.

Shit doesn't add up.

Yea the party idealogues have a laundry list of issues they have to subscribe to. For instance, why do Right Wing associators necesasrily have to be pro-war. It's all absurd.
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Maybe if you were a little more intellectual and educated you'd realise that people are religious because they fucking choose to be not because there's no other options.  You don't wake up and say "HOLY SHIT I WANT TO BE A THEIST" it's something that happens naturally.  You can bring up the "well, i was raised so and so" argument but people like that aren't really religious they're just following what their parents are saying.  People who grew up in a faith based family that became atheist are no different than people raised in an atheist family that became theist.  It's a personal thing and I never understood why dumb fucks who consider themselves "educated" never got that.
It seems that those that are more intellectual and/or devoted to science tend to be less religous than otherwise speaking. Of course, this certainly isn't always the case. I guess that I'll stop now before I get flamed any more.  ​
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hahahahahaha, MARCUS IS A BLACK REPUBLICAN.

you should be ashamed of yourself.

I like my money.  The last thing I want is someone coming into office and screwing me out of my pay but that also means I have to vote for some backwater fucktards.  You see how dumb this is???

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It seems that those that are more intellectual and/or devoted to science tend to be less religous than otherwise speaking. Of course, this certainly isn't always the case. I guess that I'll stop now before I get flamed any more.

What I meant by that is someone who is devoted to theism doesn't automatically disqualify themselves from going to college or learning a trade.  I'm a protestant but I know my
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If you were going to interview the President, not George Bush, but the President in general, what serious questions would you ask (about the current state of things)? What response would you want (what response would YOU give)? What would you do if you were President?

And this is not for any work or school related project, so don't feel like I'm asking you to do an assignment for me. Just subject matter I am interested in.

I don't even know how to answer this because every issue has a robotic response that includes four syllable words and circle logic.  I guess my biggest question is "Do you represent the people or do you represent yourself pretending to represent the people?"

The President represents America as a whole.  I can't go to a foreign country without hearing "americans are gun toting rednecks" and when I look at our president there's little reason to wonder why.
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Let me be a little bit clearer. You are interviewing the President but you ARE the President. That should help broaden the amount of usuable syllables. I know when Presidents go on the rare interviews (Man, I don't even remember ever seeing one, has it ever happened during a presidency?) they get a pretty well rehearsed interview, but this is more of a what-would-you-do-topic than a what-should-be-done-topic.

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I like my money.  The last thing I want is someone coming into office and screwing me out of my pay but that also means I have to vote for some backwater fucktards.  You see how dumb this is???

well what I'm confused about is why you think military pay would be cut down.

the majority of defense spending is for corporate entities to make faster jets we don't need etc, I'd think it would be political suicide to be the president who GOT RID OF soldier's benefirts.
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well what I'm confused about is why you think military pay would be cut down.

the majority of defense spending is for corporate entities to make faster jets we don't need etc, I'd think it would be political suicide to be the president who GOT RID OF soldier's benefirts.

The base allowance is raised each year but it's been statistically proven that the allowance is doubled when a republican is in office when compared to a democrat.  Ironically, every branch except the Army has seen record cuts since Bush came into office and the qualifications to get into the Navy and Airforce have been raised while getting into the Army has been lowered AND the pay bonus for joining the Army has been raised.  For example, in order to join the army you used to need 21% body fat or less to make standards but since Bush has been in office it was raised to 23% for males.  This can be anywhere from 20-50 extra pounds depending on your height and muscle mass.  The score you need on your ASVAB (SAT for military folks) has also been lowered to join the Army.

I'm actually voting Obama this campaign but republicans generally help the military out far more than democrats.  Bush has actually been a bane on my enlistment and I ain't reenlisting even if Obama gives me a pension after 10 years.

...wait, scratch that.  I'd gladly reenlist if I could retire after 10 years.
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Unfair representation.

Our system of government classifies Americans as either one of two things:

1: A liberal

or

2: A conservative

There's absolutely no fucking inbetween.  You cannot be religious yet be pro-life.  You cannot accept homosexual marriages yet demand a quota on immigrants.  Everything we do and the people that represent us must be either on the left or right, never the middle.  We cannot vote on a single bill, it has to be compounded with several other bills and voted at once.  The president has little power to change any one thing because there's 50 people who are split down the fucking middle about it.  We're the most diverse country in the world but we're so fucking confused about our heritage that we choose to ignore it.  Those that do embrace their heritage, embrace the extremist side of it and completely forget that EVERYONE except the Natives moved here on a boat.  There's too many politicians that represent America and not enough politicians that represent the people.

How do we fix this?  Completely change our system of government... but that won't happen anytime soon.  Personally, I favor socialism but every politician in America is bat shit afraid that any talks of foreign government will completely and utterly topple the very foundation this country has built up for itself. 

God forbid a poor underdeveloped communist country should continue to exist.  They may one day destroy a leading superpower!

Maybe if you were a little more intellectual and educated you'd realise that people are religious because they fucking choose to be not because there's no other options.  You don't wake up and say "HOLY SHIT I WANT TO BE A THEIST" it's something that happens naturally.  You can bring up the "well, i was raised so and so" argument but people like that aren't really religious they're just following what their parents are saying.  People who grew up in a faith based family that became atheist are no different than people raised in an atheist family that became theist.  It's a personal thing and I never understood why dumb fucks who consider themselves "educated" never got that.



1st part is the fucking truth, politicians are so tied down to "the side they play for" that nothing gets done at all! For example the way some republicans support bush in everysense, even his fuckups. They feel they have to be...because well "he's on my team!"  George Washington was right on the money when he said "don't split into parties." to bad no one cared to take his advice. It's a system of "favors" no one wants to debate with eachother  at all. And I'm not talking about that stupid bullshit debate we do where we take a stance and never change till death do us part.

A debate was meant to exchange ideas in order to enlighten eachother, but everyone is so bent on "not being wrong" that they will go down in their sinking ships. (Iraq).

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america needs a king.

the commonwealth has a queen and it's pretty cool
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The language. Look at the words, "Bedroom", "bathroom", that's just plain stupid. It looks like a language made by a baby, "Mother take me to the bed room!". Can't they make up a real word for things, because that's what people do in other countries. And I'm sure there are a lot of other examples in this language but nothing comes to my mind right now.

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I think that (apart from obvious shit like health care, gun laws, the broken two party system, etc.) one of the biggest things wrong with the US is that it's the only country in the world that constantly tells itself that it's the greatest country in the world and with the greatest people in the world. So many politicians do this (even the good ones) and it has always kind of bugged me in a way. Maybe some Americans should stop telling themselves that they're so great and start acting like it (not blowing up brown people is a start).
Hey wasn't this how N- whoops Godwin's Law never mind. But yeah, if the majority of people in any given democratic were actually trying to be nice, humanity as a whole would be a lot better off.

Seriously now, the problem with the USA is that 1) it's too homogeneous and 2) it tends to think in black and white a lot. Globally, republicans and democrats are pretty much one and the same. When you call liberals left-wing everyone else thinks you're crazy because weren't liberals those guys that liked capitalism and opposed socialists? Basically, you're stuck at one end of the scale and everything else is reduced to the Red Scare.
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