Topic: (The Lost & the Damned!)Grand Theft Auto IV Thread! (Read 16415 times)

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How is that putting words in the reviewers mouth?

Do you forget that reviews are, after all, opinions?

Therefore I don't think it's too much of a leap of logic to say that a reviewer giving a flawless score to a review (as in, his opinion) would believe the game to be flawless.

I'm not trying to flame or anything, but you seem to have forgotten that no matter how big the site reviews by definition should be an opinion (of a professional in the case of places like IGN). Unless they're all getting paid off or something.

I was just expanding on what Steel said about a 10 never being able to be universal. I did word that a bit wrong. The IGN reviewer seemed to only have very small problems with the game, to the point where I don't think they'd really be considered flaws (of course they are literally, but they won't get in the way of your gameplay at all and the game can thusly be considered flawless to the person in question if it has nothing detrimental within it to them).

You just said, "a reviewer giving a flawless score to a review (as in, his opinion) would believe the game to be flawless.". Thats putting words in the reviews mouth because the reviewer blatantly pointed out some of the games flaws!

How can someone think a game is flawless and they point out the flaws?  10/10 =! Flawless.
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You just said, "a reviewer giving a flawless score to a review (as in, his opinion) would believe the game to be flawless.". Thats putting words in the reviews mouth because the reviewer blatantly pointed out some of the games flaws!

How can someone think a game is flawless and they point out the flaws?  10/10 =! Flawless.


I just edited my post because I didn't explain properly. A reviewer giving a 10 (or a 100 or whatev) would lead me to believe that the reviewer finds the game flawless, but it doesn't mean everyone will, thusly not making it 'perfect' as such.

I shouldn't argue the point though because you're right, I don't really know what the reviewer thinks. I just don't think it's a stretch to believe that a reviewer giving a game a symbolic 'perfect' score would find a game flawless in their opinion.
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I just edited my post because I didn't explain properly. A reviewer giving a 10 (or a 100 or whatev) would lead me to believe that the reviewer finds the game flawless, but it doesn't mean everyone will, thusly not making it 'perfect' as such.

I shouldn't argue the point though because you're right, I don't really know what the reviewer thinks. I just don't think it's a stretch to believe that a reviewer giving a game a symbolic 'perfect' score would find a game flawless in their opinion.

What I'm saying is that people read to much into the score without reading the review.  If a 10 would lead you to think that a reviewer thinks a game is flawless then you haven't read what the review thinks of the game.
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I read the IGN review he states how amazing the game is for what it is, but does say some parts are let downs but the shear amount of great things in the rest of the game out do the flaws... or something like that?

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Haha check this shit out!

I found it hilarious that the guy shot the hooker towards the end of the clip. Almost felt like the player was embarrassed for actually doing this and had to justify it by shooting her. Game looks excellent by the way.
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ptizzle just said it means the reviewer thinks the game is flawless :(

i can still call the reviewers stupid, right? or is that stupid too?? there are too many rules involved here.

I'm very butthurt that you're calling my game which is the game of all games crap in an indirect way. Because you don't agree with the reviewers and do not follow their opinions, you are considered a faggot! Go back to playing your Nintendo Wii you faggot!

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I can see why some people wouldnt want to read it though... it's fucking 7 pages (overkill much?).
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Why are any of you even discussing the reviews? When a game you like gets less than expected you go like "Meh, who cares about reviewers.. the only opinion that is important is my own". However, when a game (hyped too) gets high scores some of you seem to be upset by it. Play the game, discuss the reviews after if you have too.

Gamers are geeky indeed.
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oh for fuck's sake YOU CAN'T GRADE GAMES LIKE MATH what's wrong with you. there's no way you didn't see the intense flaw here.

hmmm well magical negro your paper was to include exactly seven unique five syllable words and you've only done six, gotta dock you two points for that, as well as not quite hitting the six page mark and going over, dock you another two.

when you grade a creative media you can never say it's perfect because (christ I can't believe I have to explain this) perfection cannot be created since people are imperfect and you can never satisfy everyone. GTA doing so well doesn't mean it's the BEST GAME EVER IT'S PERFECT or even that it's the best sandbox game ever but it means it's a damn fine specimen with few flaws that anyone with the slightest interest in the style of game can find.

a Christian reviewer would dock it for violence, panda probably will not play it much, and a blind man will hate it, but this doesn't mean you must suddenly give the game a 9.8 because it's not perfect across the board with every possible demographic.

Look man im not even trying to argue, i just stated my opinion and you get offended. Im just saying 10/10=perfect technically, yes technically, and its natural for someone to think that the game is flawless. Try it for yourself, go to 5 random people and ask them what is 10/10 and i'll bet all of them say perfect. Its not really that serious...But to other matters, anyone know if there are going to be seasons?
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Look man im not even trying to argue, i just stated my opinion and you get offended. Im just saying 10/10=perfect technically, yes technically, and its natural for someone to think that the game is flawless. Try it for yourself, go to 5 random people and ask them what is 10/10 and i'll bet all of them say perfect. Its not really that serious...But to other matters, anyone know if there are going to be seasons?

But its not perfect technically.  On a 10 point scale... 10 is the highest.  Just like on a 50ft moutain... 50ft is the highest point.  I would give Uncharted a 10 but it isnt perfect.  If you tell those same people the flaws in said game they gave a 10 they would counter it with something that was god because in their opinion the good points >>>>>> the bad points.  And that warrants the highest point on the scale.
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Who gives a flying fuck about the damn rating? Like anything you have to take it with a grain of salt until YOU evaluate it. 'Nuff said.


Anyway, I'm picking up my copy tonight at 12!  :cool:

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I can see why some people wouldnt want to read it though... it's fucking 7 pages (overkill much?).


I did read it, but you're right, it was split up like all crap. I spose that's IGN's style though.

But yeah review talk is stupid I don't know why I got into it in the first place rar rar. Everyone has a different opinion on what a 10 is so sorry for assisting the derailing.

Anyone else going to a midnight launch? I'm fairly sure my mate was gonna go to one after his shift tonight.
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I'm going to a midnight launch. Taking my friend with me even though he isn't getting it.

I'm going to be upgrading my Live account to play it online. I heard that it comes with a free month of Live, anyone know if that's true? If it isn't I'll just activate the subscription card I got as a present. Also, does this have support for clans in any form?

So is anyone else getting the special edition?
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review talk is better than OH MY GOSH SOON HERE because no one has the game.

also yeah I'd say a 10/10 doesn't mean FLAWLESS IN MY EYES but that the flaws are wholely negligible to the reviewer. no one is going to ever say perfect.
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Yeah why argue about the game getting a 10/10 PERFECT instead of 9.9/10 AS GOOD AS GAMES CAN GET?  Seriously guys?  Maybe the critics think GTA IV is a 100% must-play, absolutely-recommend-to-everyone, better-than-anything-else-out sort of game.  If you play a game and think that it's absolutely amazing and that everyone you know should play it ASAP, doesn't that mean it's a 10/10 game?

EDIT: Holy shit the PS3 version so far has an average of 99.8% on aggregator sites, which makes it the best-rated game ever released by several percent.

EDIT again:  Also, Spinal Tap getting 11/10 as a rating is probably a reference to one of the movie's in-jokes so I don't think it's fair to say that IGN has rated things above 10 before.
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It's already available to buy over here in New Zealand now, but mines pre-ordered anyway so I'm still waiting, don't matter because that case is gonna tease the shit out of me until my Playstation is fixed. Anyways please guys tell me what it's like, the wait has finally consumed me and I need some killa storys!

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