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Mince Wobley

#21 March 06, 2008, 05:41:53 pm

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Quote from: Kaworu on March 06, 2008, 11:19:59 am

not really, it's just boring. People like Vai, Satch, Tipton, Petrucci are far more interesting to listen to, and the first three are pretty great at expressing themselves whilst keeping the amazing technical ability.

Vai = Old
Satriani = King of boring
Petrucci = Robot, even more robotic than M.A.B.
Tipton = I don't even know who tipton is

Whenever there is a topic or anything else about fast guitarists somebody will say "It's boring all they have is speed" and mention either Satriani or Slash or Kurt Cobain or anyone else. I'll call this the Inri's Law.

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tuxedo marx

#22 March 06, 2008, 06:55:32 pm

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Quote from: Inri Cheetos on March 06, 2008, 03:23:19 am

Shut up Kaworu you're just jealous that you can't play like him, why people have to be so intolerant to other playing styles?

haha this is more terrible than usual!

Anyway, some fantastic, nice guitar playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsIubn5Pp6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENy7MQIYJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKXS-49bq7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztv8lsgpmmI - for all you nerds out there! ;)

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Ryan

#23 March 06, 2008, 07:01:17 pm

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Quote from: Inri Cheetos on March 06, 2008, 05:41:53 pm

Vai = Old
Satriani = King of boring
Petrucci = Robot, even more robotic than M.A.B.
Tipton = I don't even know who tipton is

Whenever there is a topic or anything else about fast guitarists somebody will say "It's boring all they have is speed" and mention either Satriani or Slash or Kurt Cobain or anyone else. I'll call this the Inri's Law.

while i (somewhat) agree with you that vai, satriani, and petrucci are boring... what the fuck. the topic is titled "crazy guitar" not "cool sounding guitar" or whatever. it's pretty obviously a topic about fast, flashy guitar players. (ie vai, petrucci, satriani, etc)

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Kaworu

#24 March 06, 2008, 08:21:22 pm

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Shred guitar has always been controversial though, this happens everywhere, not just GW. I don't agree with people shoving it aside(like most rock music made after 1990) because it was a major guitar movement that has produced some great music, and I do get very inspired listening to a lot of solos like Vai's or Howe's (Greg Howe is great because it's jazz based so really stands out from the others). I do respect the technical ability of malmsteen and batio and co but the music just sounds flat to me. Out of the "neoclassicals" MacAlpine is my favourite, his solos are just so smooth. Plus his tapping approach is awesome.
I think my favourite of this generation's guitarists is Dave Weiner. he is unbelievable. He's been Steve Vai's backing guitarist for like 8 years (so his style is kinda similar). Like Vai he uses the guitar (and his ability) for the music more than just creaing bitching solos and showing off. So he's kinda like Vai but with a younger sense of music.
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technical ability is only useful in being able to fully express yourself. once i get good enough to be able to express myself perfectly as i imagine it, then i don't see the need in further honing my technical abilities.

I kinda disagree with this outlook, I think you should always be trying to improve your vocabulary because learning new styles, and getting better can open up ways to express yourself you never thought possible. Improving your ability also gives less chance of your playing stagnating (and the eventual giving up guitar) because you're able to introduce new elements.

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Mince Wobley

#25 March 06, 2008, 09:04:47 pm

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Quote from: Ryan on March 06, 2008, 07:01:17 pm

while i (somewhat) agree with you that vai, satriani, and petrucci are boring... what the fuck. the topic is titled "crazy guitar" not "cool sounding guitar" or whatever. it's pretty obviously a topic about fast, flashy guitar players. (ie vai, petrucci, satriani, etc)

Vai and satriani are not fast and flashy guitar players they're just boring, petrucci is probably one of the fastest guitarists that there are but he is also robot, that's why Paul Gilbert is the greatest shredder that there is, in speed and size.

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headphonics

#26 March 07, 2008, 02:21:39 am

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Quote from: thecatamites on March 05, 2008, 11:06:28 pm

Well, technical ability can, if used right, make a well-written song even more enjoyable. It's like 'Dinosaur Jr's J Mascis... He's easily skilled enough to be able to just play endless solos for hours on end, but he actually writes great songs first and then uses solos and stuff to make them better. Look at 'Freak Scene', say... If you stripped it down to just it's barest components, it'd still be a great song. But all the great guitar parts in it on top of the main tune/vocals manage to make it an even better song.
Television, Richard Thompson, Captain Beefheart, Lightning Bolt and Sonic Youth are all similar in that they only use their impressive technical abilities to augment already great songs...

man you are such a cool guy sometimes.

i was actually tempted to make fun of this topic, but i guess i thought it should go without saying. stuff like this is kind of sad, though, because it seems like they're more concerned with playing lifeless technically-accomplished solos than they are with writing music as a form of expression. j mascis is a pretty good example, i think, because he was really one of the first guitarists i encountered who could do a fucking three-minute guitar solo and not come off as incredibly pretentious and self-indulgent. i think this is because there's a noticeable difference between him ROCKING THE FUCK OUT, and guys like this playing notes; rocking the fuck out is more than just notes, is what i'm saying! music should be about more than just getting up on stage wearing a double-necked guitar and saying GUYS WATCH ME DO A CARTWHEEL WHILE PLAYING. also, yeah, there's the fact that this shit doesn't especially sound good, whereas despite the often heavy distortion (this is mostly in respect to their 80s shit, not their recent stuff), dinosaur jr's guitar work is pretty fucking catchy and well written. like you said, there're no hooks, no riffs, not really any melody... these are all things that you sort of need! what's the point of being able to play incredibly, incredibly fast and with so much precision if you can't even write a decent song? or, for that matter, anything that sounds like a SONG at all, and not just a bunch of notes thrown together. being able to play like that seems, beyond the novelty of GODDAMN HE'S ACCOMPLISHED, almost totally worthless if that's the only aspect of musicianship you have a solid grip on.

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Wash Cycle

#27 March 07, 2008, 02:53:17 am

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Mince Wobley

#28 March 07, 2008, 03:10:53 am

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Who are you to decide what music should be bazooka tooth. If I record the sound of power tools for any prime number of hours and call that music WHO ARE YOU to say it isn't. WHO ARE YOU to say what is or isn't music?

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Ryan

#29 March 07, 2008, 03:15:17 am

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Quote from: Inri Cheetos on March 07, 2008, 03:10:53 am

Who are you to decide what music should be bazooka tooth. If I record the sound of power tools for any prime number of hours and call that music WHO ARE YOU to say it isn't. WHO ARE YOU to say what is or isn't music?

i think it would be best if you stayed out of the music forum.

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headphonics

#30 March 07, 2008, 03:58:33 am

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i can't even tell if he's being serious.

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Austyn6661

#31 March 07, 2008, 05:54:21 am

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All you people that say Batio's solos are lifeless are idiots. It seems that if you play fast, you have no soul. If you utilize slides, bends and slow vibratos, you suck cause you can't play fast. It IS music, it's NOT lifeless. Batio has an acoustic piece that will make you cry. Think about the situation from BOTH sides before making an idiotic post.

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headphonics

#32 March 07, 2008, 06:14:21 am

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who's ever said someone sucks because they can't play as fast as batio? no one in this topic said anything like that. good to know that you think masturbatory guitar solos are the peak of artistic expression, though! if that youtube linked in the op isn't totally devoid of feeling, then what did you get out of it? ANYTHING AT ALL besides "watch how fast i can play"? maybe all of us are just looking at it in the wrong light, and that with a little bit of perspective we'll realize that, far from lifeless, it's actually a beautiful reflection on a love lost; a sweet meeting and a bitter parting. maybe when steel gets back we can have him listen, and he can turn off all the lights and softly weep to it.

i seriously don't know what the OTHER side you're suggesting we take a look at even is, though. self-indulgent, lacking musical quality vs. ??? (maybe useful as a reference when they finally make wayne's world 3)

Last Edit: March 07, 2008, 06:16:49 am by bazookatooth

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#33 March 07, 2008, 07:27:54 am

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Quote from: Austyn6661 on March 07, 2008, 05:54:21 am

All you people that say Batio's solos are lifeless are idiots. It seems that if you play fast, you have no soul. If you utilize slides, bends and slow vibratos, you suck cause you can't play fast. It IS music, it's NOT lifeless. Batio has an acoustic piece that will make you cry. Think about the situation from BOTH sides before making an idiotic post.

who cares it's just music

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Kaworu

#34 March 07, 2008, 10:15:18 am

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Isn't it official by now that anybody with 666 in their name is just a joke account?

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#35 March 07, 2008, 11:34:25 am

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Quote from: Austyn6661 on March 07, 2008, 05:54:21 am

All you people that say Batio's solos are lifeless are idiots. It seems that if you play fast, you have no soul. If you utilize slides, bends and slow vibratos, you suck cause you can't play fast. It IS music, it's NOT lifeless. Batio has an acoustic piece that will make you cry. Think about the situation from BOTH sides before making an idiotic post.

hahaha

Also since this is about CRAZY GUITARISTS and not cool guitarists (substance over technicality) i gues i should stay out of this topic...

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Ok, i might as well list some few interesting clips i have accumulated by time.

"Li'l Jack Horny Intro/Midnight Express" by Nuno Bettencourt
- Interesting eastern- infuenced electro-accoustic performance by Nuno Bettencourt. Some amazing rhythm work there. Skip to about 0:49.

Al di Meola - Land of the Midnight Sun Pt. 1
- So you guys think Petrucci is something amazing? Then, i guess you could like this song from 1975. Some prog - stuff with flamenco influences. Note: the guy does not shred at all, just listen what he does.

Steve Vai - Tender Surrender
- as a finisher. The very essential of Steve Vai. Vai is... incredible, his emotions are so authentic, just look his gestures and face thorough the whole performance.

Guana might have even more interesting stuff.

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Mince Wobley

#36 March 07, 2008, 04:24:51 pm

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Quote from: bazookatooth on March 07, 2008, 03:58:33 am

i can't even tell if he's being serious.

Hahahaha stop playing the "inri is a troll card" it's so old.

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LxNarik

#37 March 07, 2008, 11:14:56 pm

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good god I created a war xd. personally going into the big battle, I think there is no bad or good guitar. it's all a matter of opinion really. if you think shredding is talented good for you.. if you think shredding is just bragging and not showing soul, good for you to. it's all opinion, and nobody has the same taste. I myself think shredding shows how good you are, but look at jimmy. some pepole say he was the best guitarist of all time. not all of his song were crazy solos though were they, most he was just jamming. so end of argument, bring this topic to normal.

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#38 March 08, 2008, 03:50:27 pm

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He's easily skilled enough to be able to just play endless solos for hours on end, but he actually writes great songs first and then uses solos and stuff to make them better.

This is exactly the way I see it too. We were having a conversation about this on IRC one day and Cliff said how every guitarist wants to play solos and I told him that I don't give a shit about how many solos (or how difficult they are to play) a song has, I'm more interested in good songwriting. If you can write a good song and include fitting solo(s), then that's all cool of course. However, it gets boring when musicians write songs so that they can show off how good they are at their instruments.

Last Edit: March 08, 2008, 06:52:45 pm by DragonSlayer

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Mince Wobley

#39 March 08, 2008, 05:25:54 pm

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But having technical hability increases brain size so even if you don't use 100% of your power it's a good thing to learn how to play like john petrucci.

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#40 March 08, 2008, 06:46:59 pm

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Quote from: bazookatooth on March 07, 2008, 06:14:21 am

who's ever said someone sucks because they can't play as fast as batio? no one in this topic said anything like that. good to know that you think masturbatory guitar solos are the peak of artistic expression, though! if that youtube linked in the op isn't totally devoid of feeling, then what did you get out of it? ANYTHING AT ALL besides "watch how fast i can play"? maybe all of us are just looking at it in the wrong light, and that with a little bit of perspective we'll realize that, far from lifeless, it's actually a beautiful reflection on a love lost; a sweet meeting and a bitter parting. maybe when steel gets back we can have him listen, and he can turn off all the lights and softly weep to it.

i seriously don't know what the OTHER side you're suggesting we take a look at even is, though. self-indulgent, lacking musical quality vs. ??? (maybe useful as a reference when they finally make wayne's world 3)

frack you pal...frack you hard.

I guess the other side would be the same thing you hear in most instrumental pieces. unfortunately, most people aren't talented enough to do more than create a movie-soundtrack sentimentality or just a series of crescendos. the obvious example of an instrumental track that is just a guitar pretty much is Funkadelic's Maggot Brain, which I think the guitarist described as someone's mom dying and then coming back to life. there's also all of jazz pretty much.

if you view technical ability and emotional ability as a binary switch you're probably an idiot. it's not that hard to figure out if something is a soulless solo and it is as easy as determining the level of emotional investment the song demands from you. if all you are thinking is :incred: then it's not much of a song. I've laughed to myself while listening to Buddy Rich shit, which I guess is the same, but that's mixed in with "man this is some fun fucking music".

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