Is there a staffer who posts the "hot topics" in the community blog?  There really should be a "What's going on in GW: unhealthy obsessions and the support of sexual predators debate 2008 JOIN THE COMMUNITY LULZ!"

it will be as the worst topic so far!

ugh seriously.

also I am really confused as to why anyone is saying "they need some way to express themselves". no you don't. schizophrenics do not EXPRESS THEMSELVES. neither do people with multiple personalities. neither do those with depression. they need medication and treatment, not the possibility of normalizing their behavior.

Just throwing this out there:

Everyone here is saying that the only way child porn is made is when the child gets abused/tricked etc, etc. but what about "self-made" child porn? What if two 15 year olds or something got together and taped themselves -- what happens then?

this is far more rare than you might think. also regardless of what the pedophile excuses himself with, the fact remains that his or her porn tends to not be the "oh shit I thought they were 18" variety. you won't see a pedophile using that excuse.

all these hypotheticals fall flat when you realize no one's gone to court for having one video of a 16 year old having sex with an 18 year old. they go to jail because they have a LOT of videos, and the videos are clearly labeled as child pornography. I'm not going to apologize for pedophilia; it is a mental condition, but it's also unambiguously wrong by almost every relative scale that doesn't require a thought experiment that starts with IMAGINE THE WORLD HAD A BIG NUCLEAR WAR. we legislate pedophilia and people holding materials conducive to pedophilia for a variety of reasons, but the main reason is that no pedophile wants to stop at just videos or pictures. there is no such thing as a harmless pedophile. that puts it under the same label as homosexuality, where you can repress sexual activity, but mental illness means that they have no such thing as control over their illness.

if the pedophile is mentally ill (and if they really are a pedophile, they are), they will not exercise control over it for long. this is not a sexual FETISH. it is an ILLNESS.

this is not to imply that all pedophiles will rape or molest children; obviously, if they are treated, grounded, or otherwise incapacitated they won't.

but if the opportunity were to present itself, they would TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. this is how mental illness works. you don't control your fucking mind when it gets bonkers, are you kidding me?

The extent to which pedophilia occurs is not known with any certainty. Historically, sexual contacts between older pre-pubescents and adults were relatively common and accepted in many places, including the United States and England, where the legal age of consent typically ranged from seven to 12 years until the end of the 19th century.[30][31] Some studies have concluded that at least a quarter of all adult men may have some feelings of sexual arousal in connection with pre-pubescent youths.[32] Freund et al. (1972) remarked that "with males who have no deviant object preferences, clearly positive sexual reactions occur to [nude] 6- to 8-year old female children."[33]

In 1989 Briere and Runtz conducted a study on 193 male undergraduate students concerning pedophilia. Of the sample, 21 percent acknowledged sexual attraction to some small children; nine percent reported sexual fantasies involving children; five percent admitted masturbating to these fantasies; and seven percent conceded some probability of actually having sex with a child if they could avoid detection and punishment. The authors also noted that "given the probable social undesirability of such admissions, [one could] hypothesize that the actual rates ... were even higher.".[34]

A study by Hall et al. of Kent State University found that, of their sample of 80 adult male volunteers, 20 percent reported some attraction to prepubescent girls and 32.5 percent exhibited sexual arousal to heterosexual pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded their arousal to the adult stimuli.[35]

Less research is available regarding pedophilia's occurrence in females.[36] In a 1996 study of a university sample, 2.6 percent of surveyed females self-reported at least some sexual interest in children.[37]

Jesus christ.

BravoSector is a pedophile.

So let me get this straight:

a) you're defending people who attack young defenseless children and have sexual intercourse with them, forever scaring them and most likely destroying any chance they have of integrating back into society

b) you hate homosexuals, because any person who says what you just said can't honestly like them if you're saying pedophilia is anything close to homosexuality.

a) no i'm defending people who are attracted to children in so far as they DON'T rape them

b)where the fuck did you get this?

How is saying child porn is wrong just a "complete and utter fucking opinion"? Like, its VERY DEBATABLE? I don't think so. I have explained precisely WHY its wrong in the post. Like why its legally, and technically, and morally wrong. If you still don't think its wrong, there is something wrong with you.

i don't remember exactly but i don't think that my original quote was in reference to child porn but lets say it was:

pictures of a 15 year old and pics of a 7 year old are made. assuming that neither was physically forced to have sex, are they equally bad or is the 7 yo's case worse? age of consent is completely subjective (unless its like a 7 year old). there might be someone who's 15 and is totally mentally able to have sex and there could be an 18 year old (by law: legally able to consent) who is unable to mentally comprehend sex or isn't mentally prepared to have sex. are you taking advantage of the 15 yo or 18 yo in this case?

now, 7 yo sex is another issue, like 100% of the time the kid will not be mentally prepared for sex.

something could be legally called child porn but it is NOT wrong imo if the child is prepared physically and mentally. so stfu!

And, I didn't know all child porn was legal in japan, I thought only drawn and other false child porn was. Thats pretty nasty.

wait what

Okay, Bravo, Inri, before you guys continue on defending pedophiles let me point out that children are not legally capable (by man's law) of consenting to sex and this applies to pretty much every country regardless of how much of a shit hole it is.  Having physical intercourse with a human being before they're fully developed (I.E before puberty is finished) has been proven to be detrimental and hazardous to healthy growth.

HAVING SEX WITH KIDS IS LITERALLY HAZARDOUS TO THEIR PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH

Some countries have varying ages of consent like 13 or 14 which is the typical age that puberty (usually) finishes but because humans mature at such a stupidly varying rate, the United States says 16-18 depending on the state and even then if you're 19 or older you can't sex with a 16 year old.  

These laws are put in place to stop predators and I've SEEN sexual predators and talked to them before and they're not very nice people to hold a sunday chat with.  It is an unhealthy, mental obsession and cannot be compared to homosexuality because that's an actual physical attraction.  Pedophilia is on the same level as OCD.  There is no love for a child, it's an obsession, a want, a burning desire.  Medicine still hasn't reached the point of completely eliminating mental quirks but HOLY FUCK what kind of society would we live in if we accepted people that chased after children?  A pedophilic father would lust after his daughter... heck, even his son because pedophilia isn't gender specific.

My God I am losing faith in humanity.  We should just lay back and accept everyone into society.  Serial killers, arsonists, rapists; these guys have mental obsessions but fuck IT'S JUST LIKE HOMOSEXUALITY RIGHT WE CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR KILLER PSYCHOS!!"

wow nice post, makes me have to be a lot more specific with what i mean.

question which comes out of this is: is it really an obsession along the likes of 'omg i need my heroin fix and can't live without it!'

this is not to imply that all pedophiles will rape or molest children; obviously, if they are treated, grounded, or otherwise incapacitated they won't.

but if the opportunity were to present itself, they would TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. this is how mental illness works. you don't control your fucking mind when it gets bonkers, are you kidding me?

repeat the question: is it really an obsession along the likes of 'omg i need my heroin fix and can't live without it!' in your case though, I think you're spouting a lot of opinion though in addition to whatever evidence you might have....

The extent to which pedophilia occurs is not known with any certainty. Historically, sexual contacts between older pre-pubescents and adults were relatively common and accepted in many places, including the United States and England, where the legal age of consent typically ranged from seven to 12 years until the end of the 19th century.[30][31] Some studies have concluded that at least a quarter of all adult men may have some feelings of sexual arousal in connection with pre-pubescent youths.[32] Freund et al. (1972) remarked that "with males who have no deviant object preferences, clearly positive sexual reactions occur to [nude] 6- to 8-year old female children."[33]

In 1989 Briere and Runtz conducted a study on 193 male undergraduate students concerning pedophilia. Of the sample, 21 percent acknowledged sexual attraction to some small children; nine percent reported sexual fantasies involving children; five percent admitted masturbating to these fantasies; and seven percent conceded some probability of actually having sex with a child if they could avoid detection and punishment. The authors also noted that "given the probable social undesirability of such admissions, [one could] hypothesize that the actual rates ... were even higher.".[34]

A study by Hall et al. of Kent State University found that, of their sample of 80 adult male volunteers, 20 percent reported some attraction to prepubescent girls and 32.5 percent exhibited sexual arousal to heterosexual pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded their arousal to the adult stimuli.[35]

Less research is available regarding pedophilia's occurrence in females.[36] In a 1996 study of a university sample, 2.6 percent of surveyed females self-reported at least some sexual interest in children.[37]

wow holy shit. its like its happening in our own backyards

ehuhuhu it is happening in my backyard 

Creepy fact I picked up from law class; the legal age of consent in Canada was 14. Upon investigation, I found out that it was just raised 16.

Every pedophile is harmless until that person becomes a sex offender. You say they all do at some point, but that's what you yourself personally believe. In reality, there is no scientific ground for such a statement and there are no studies that prove it either. (None actually try, since it's virtually impossible to prove.)

I know that this is a sensitive topic, but if you're going to engage in a meaningful discussion about it, you shouldn't present your own hypotheses as if they're fact. That's only going to make it harder to come up with a tangible solution to the problem.

asdffff dummy read what I wrote. every pedophile wants to molest children. I even said most can't because they are incapacitated but guess what if you are mentally ill you cannot control your mind. there is no such thing as a harmless pedophile because there is no such thing as an pedophile (meaning obviously someone not being treated) who doesn't want to have sex with children. you can't fucking harmlessly express that. are you kidding me? the reason they don't is because the opportunity never presents itself. this isn't a fucking opinion. do you know what mental illness is?

either pedophilia, or sexual attraction to young children, is not a mental illness and therefore the majority of pedophiles can lead normal lives and be alone with children and nothing will happen, or it is a mental illness and as such every warning sign needs to be monitored because while a schizophrenic acting on their voices can be harmless idiocy, a pedophile acting on their mental illness will almost certainly hurt a child.

repeat the question: is it really an obsession along the likes of 'omg i need my heroin fix and can't live without it!' in your case though, I think you're spouting a lot of opinion though in addition to whatever evidence you might have....

IT. IS. A. MENTAL. ILLNESS.

similar to how an untreated schizophrene may not WANT to listen to voices but invariably has to, a pedophile may not want to sexually assault children, but that is the sole qualification that makes him a pedophile.

pedophilia is not sexual fetishism. it is a mental illness. there is no level of control allowed in mental illness. every pedophile WANTS to act on their urges. this is why most governments monitor pedophiles and attempt to catch them, because they are clearly not undergoing treatment.

and no, masturbating to child pornography is not a way to sublimate the desire to have sexual intercourse with a child. even though it's not a fair dichotomy, just compare it to your own lives; do you jerk off and then say "WHEW...IF I GET OFFERED SEX TONIGHT I WILL TURN IT DOWN"?

more importantly with the mentally ill who do not enter "fugue" states, it is best not to encourage their behavior, because instead of viewing it as sublimation or like a nicotine patch, they view it as a right or a persecution complex. NAMBLA is a clear indicator of this.

(when a schizophrenic is in a state of hearing voices or someone with multiple personalities is listening to them, it's best to act like the delusion is real. no such state is apparent in the pedophile as far as I am aware).

the FBI is putting up these links because the people who will click on them are incredibly dangerous people almost 99.9% of the time. the fact that they have not acted on those desires does not indicate a level of control on their part, but a level of access; they simply have not had the ability to get a child alone in a room in safe circumstances where they know they won't get reported.

similar to how a schizophrene might build something before a grand action, the pedophile has to, in order to use a nauseating phrase, lay a trap for a child. the movie Happiness depicts this rather well, where the pedophile father places sleeping pills in a child's tuna sandwich and then molests him while he's asleep and is only found out when the child suffers rectal bleeding later. throughout the sequence the pedophile takes extreme cautions not to get caught, and only molests children that he can get alone or separate.

What are you trying to say Omega?

Heh. That's the fatal assumption -- that these people are 99.9% guilty. That's the sentiment that juries will take this stuff on, and regardless of whether or not the defense is innocent -- they will be prederminately guilty. This means that the state is now empowered to implant such information into suspects' computers and nab them -- even if they didn't go anyplace near the file. I don't defend the pedophile, but I would not condone these illicit governmental sanctions.

In practicality, clicking the link would establish absolute guilt. But whether or not the link was clicked can very well be arbitrary.

well the problem there is you won't really have a case. let's say you, today, click one of these links. FBI searches you. HOPEFULLY they don't find any evidence of pederasty. case dismissed.

that's what I mean by 99.9%, the remaining small percent will be people tricked into it somehow. I'm a law major (hey guys I got waitlisted at William and Mary, considering I have a shitty GPA and an arrest record that's not too bad!) so I know that guilt and innocence are spectrums in the court system, but just from what I know, I sincerely doubt the court systems are so corrupt as to establish guilt of a person. will someone innocent spend a few hours in jail until they are bailed out, yes. is that unfair, absolutely. will they be found guilty, almost certainly not. this is one of those cases where it's hard to have a spectrum of anything. you'd have the innocent guy and then you would have the pedophile with numerous files and conversations.

also I really doubt any old fuckarow will stumble on these links. people joked about 4chan but honestly if 4chan or some big group did spread the link, the cases would quickly be dropped because obviously they were spread around. the chances of a non-pedophile stumbling on one of these is fairly slim, barring incompetence on the parts of the people putting these links.

obviously they aren't telling us WHERE or HOW these links are being distributed, but I wouldn't leap to any conclusions about non-pedophiles accessing them. I for one have no idea how to get child porn or where to get linked it (maybe the NAMBLA website?) and most people are in the same situation.

I guess if they only post their bait inks in underground secret pedophile websites it might work but only if they don't tell they're going to do it to everyone. Oops they already did it. Mission failed.

i cant believe some of you are defending people who rape kids

Because nobody is defending people who rape kids.

Because nobody is defending people who rape kids.

Was this supposed to be sarcasm? I...

what?

What did you intend to say?

"Nobody is defending people who rape kids."
or
"Because we are defending people who rape kids here. [/sarcasm]"

I guess I'm confused because I was under the impression that you and Bravo were defending people with sexual attraction to children, not defending actual child rapists.

Nobody is defending them we are only saying that pedophilia is something you don't chose and as long as they don't act upon their desires pedophiles aren't really EVIL BEINGS WHO MUST BE EXTERMINATED.

Nobody is defending them we are only saying that pedophilia is something you don't chose and as long as they don't act upon their desires pedophiles aren't really EVIL BEINGS WHO MUST BE EXTERMINATED.

telling pedophiles to not act on their sexual desires is equivalent to the church telling gay people "IT'S OK TO BE GAY YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE GAY SEX."

(ie it's near impossible for someone to just NEVER HAVE SEX. this is especially true for pedophiles because most people regard pedophilia as a mental disorder and not a sexual preference.)