she'd be dry, she's not pregnant.

you can take pills for that

also not everyone breast feeds

legally, he's a man. You can try to argue it all you want, but he's a man.

I never argued that he's a man legally. But even then that's irrelevant (to me). Just because some signed and stamped papers say you're a man doesn't actually make you one. I'm talking biologically.

I never argued that he's a man legally. But even then that's irrelevant. Just because some signed and stamped papers say you're a man doesn't actually make you one. I'm talking biologically.

no one cares about biological sexual proclaimation anymore. being a legal man means you put male down for everything, count as male for all legal stuff, get called a he, etc etc.

this isn't pre-1990's anymore

no one cares about biological sexual proclaimation anymore. being a legal man means you put male down for everything, count as male for all legal stuff, get called a he, etc etc.

this isn't pre-1990's anymore

I'm sorry for adhering to what science says about gender and being so 'pre-1990's. I just don't buy into this 'YAY TRANSGENDER WE'LL CALL YOU A MAN NOW BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE' hoo ha. I don't have anything against transgenders per se, but no matter what some papers say this man will always be a woman to me, and so will every other woman to man transgendered individual. Of course, like I said, good for this particular couple for their baby, but the way I see it, it's just two women having a baby. A little snip snip and some papers doesn't make you a man in my eyes. Sorry.

Of course I realize that my opinion doesn't mean anything, but that's all I'm doing; sharing my own personal opinion.

I agree with Mog on this one. Legally he might be a man, but that doesn't magically mean that he has XY chromosomes and every feature of a man, and the experiences of growing up as a man, etc.

I agree with Mog on this one. Legally he might be a man, but that doesn't magically mean that he has XY chromosomes and every feature of a man, and the experience of growing up as a man, etc.

we know he isn't a man biologically no shit, but he's still considered a man in this day and age and called a he, and counts as a guy for everything, and you can't just go HEH.....NOT A MAN because yes he is, he just isn't a man biologically.

he is still a man whether you think so or not because our society says he is ?_?

i dont even know why we're arguing this, he is a man legally, a woman biologically, but in this time it's the former that matters most really, the only time the latter really matters is if you would have sex with that person or not, really.

He's just a man on paper. Which unless I have to deal with him on a legal setting, means absolutely nothing in my eyes, compared to his biological, actual history and status as a woman. If you aren't a man 'just biologically', then you're not a man, everybody just has to call you one because of some documents.

Like I said, just sharing my individual feelings on the matter.

He's just a man on paper. Which unless I have to deal with him on a legal setting, means absolutely nothing in my eyes, compared to his biological, actual history and status as a woman. If you aren't a man 'just biologically', then you're not a man, everybody just has to call you one because of some documents.

Like I said, just sharing my individual feelings on the matter.

What about hermaphrodites?

He's just a man on paper. Which unless I have to deal with him on a legal setting, means absolutely nothing in my eyes, compared to his biological, actual history and status as a woman. If you aren't a man 'just biologically', then you're not a man, everybody just has to call you one because of some documents.

Like I said, just sharing my individual feelings on the matter.

what is your problem with this? there isn't any nice reason why you would be so admatant that this guy isn't a man. you don't think he's biologically a man, well okay, nobody else does. it's not the issue, and really the legality of it isn't the issue either. he wants to be a man and he got surgery and takes hormones to achieve this, so your personal views or reservations about actually accepting him as a man should be kept to yourself, because there is no reason to attack a person for making a personal choice that doesn't affect anyone else apart from assholes who think it is gross. these are forums so it's not a big deal but i'm just worried you might one day meet a transexual and be all "nah you're not really a man, ya just crazy". why hurt people like that?

oh wait you're not being politically correct you're riding the straight talk express

what is your problem with this? there isn't any nice reason why you would be so admatant that this guy isn't a man. you don't think he's biologically a man, well okay, nobody else does. it's not the issue, and really the legality of it isn't the issue either. he wants to be a man and he got surgery and takes hormones to achieve this, so your personal views or reservations about actually accepting him as a man should be kept to yourself, because there is no reason to attack a person for making a personal choice that doesn't affect anyone else apart from assholes who think it is gross. these are forums so it's not a big deal but i'm just worried you might one day meet a transexual and be all "nah you're not really a man, ya just crazy". why hurt people like that?

oh wait you're not being politically correct you're riding the straight talk express

As I've said about 2 or three 3 times, I'm just sharing my personal feelings on it since this IS a forum and this topic IS to discuss it. I know how to be tact, in the actual world I have met and encountered transsexuals and I treat them the same as anyone else, fairly and equally. I don't have any outright problems with their gender or how they choose to express it, but personally I think an attempt to change your outward gender and have everyone start calling you a he instead of a she or vice versa is pretty much a farce and a biological lie, but I do have the tact to keep my personal feelings on the matter to myself unless prompted (like this topic!)

well okay i'm not gonna jump all over you but i think it's a shame you think transexuals are a farce cos it's not like it's a big hairy cabaret show to them, obviously they feel really strongly about being born in the wrong body if they go as far to have surgery for example, regardless of what you think about their choices, you've got to appreciate that. and "he" and "she" aren't biological terms, they are social terms - this is a social issue.

if you were talking to or about a transexual would you call them by their chosen gender or how they started out? i meant to ask this before.

Of course I'd call them by their preferred gender; that's just respect. I have my own opinion on the matter, but I do have tact.

obviously they feel really strongly about being born in the wrong body if they go as far to have surgery for example. and "he" and "she" aren't biological terms

I mean, about the whole "I feel I was born in the wrong body so there's something wrong with my body, let's change it", couldn't someone make a very compelling argument to the contrary: "I feel I was born in the wrong body, so there's something wrong with my head, let's change it"? I mean, either way it's change, but changing your body (gender surgery) is much more traumatic and extreme. I have no right to say this, but I often speculate, if I ever felt I was the wrong gender, I'd look into getting my mind 'fixed' before my body.

A lot of people don't like messing with their minds. I guess they are just weird like that.

yeah and there's also the people who don't think there is something wrong with their minds because they feel like they should have been born a different gender. it's a lot harder than it sounds to just change your mind about something, and the only way i think it could be done if you really believed it and felt it everyday would be hardcore medication, and i don't even know if there are meds which do this. i don't think it's very fair to assume that they should have fought against it because really it is not easy and why should they?

but this can be compared to homosexuality, which ostracized people in a similar way in years gone by. you can spend your life fighting against this harmless part of you or you can embrace it and have a shot at being happy. homosexuality is more acceptable today, it's nowhere near there yet but it is getting better for gays, but transgenderism absolutely hasn't been moving towards any kind of acceptance, so it's a big shame for these people.

so... how is this thing gonna be born?  caesarean section?  since she's legally a man, will her male hormones interfere with the child's development?  how the fuck do you breast feed a baby as a man?

these are the questions i ask myself but i honestly don't care that much to know the answers to.

If a transsexual woman who gets surgery to be changed into a man has a baby with a woman is it considered gay or straight plz help that's the only question I care about from this news story.



also, congrats? 

yeah and there's also the people who don't think there is something wrong with their minds because they feel like they should have been born a different gender. it's a lot harder than it sounds to just change your mind about something, and the only way i think it could be done if you really believed it and felt it everyday would be hardcore medication, and i don't even know if there are meds which do this. i don't think it's very fair to assume that they should have fought against it because really it is not easy and why should they?

but this can be compared to homosexuality, which ostracized people in a similar way in years gone by. you can spend your life fighting against this harmless part of you or you can embrace it and have a shot at being happy. homosexuality is more acceptable today, it's nowhere near there yet but it is getting better for gays, but transgenderism absolutely hasn't been moving towards any kind of acceptance, so it's a big shame for these people.

You have a lot of points, but I don't know...

I mean, if this is any bigotry or prejudice on my part, I can accept that, and if that's the case, I hope maybe I'll feel more accepting towards the matter. That's why I say that I have absolutely no ill will towards these people, and I'd treat the same as anyone else, but I still have my feelings on the matter. Maybe one day they'll change one way or the other, but for now, who knows? All I can do now to stay honest to myself is to be as respectful to transgenders as I can.

He decided to carry a baby for his wife, Nancy, because she had a hysterectomy years ago.

Aww that's sweet. Finally a news story posted on GW that isn't like a horror story or something grisly and sad.

Also Feldschlacht IV you're being a fucking idiot don't ruin this topic.

yeah dude it is pretty horrible to go "no you aren't a real man because I say you aren't." especially when these people have worked and thought long and hard about what they are going through just to make themselves happy, it is very terrible to just go "no sorry, you're not a guy and that's that!".

you might as well just not call them human really, because to them it means the world to be that gender. you need to accept that biology can't play a hand in everything, and the biological terms "man" and "woman" while important, were created in a time when people couldn't change their genders and we didn't have even close to the tech to do so. Now and days, while they matter, it's more free form as our society advances. Maybe one day the concept of gender won't even exist, who knows. It's just a pretty dick move to say that they aren't that gender because you say they aren't. You can believe that, but they are that gender now.

If a transsexual woman who gets surgery to be changed into a man has a baby with a woman is it considered gay or straight plz help that's the only question I care about from this news story.

well since it's a man & a woman, but the man was a woman, it's obvious the man got artificially inseminated, so it would be straight there, but their relationship by definition is heterosexual in the regard that it is legally a man & a woman.

biologically it's homosexual, though, but you know, whatever. who cares