they just acquitted Sean Bell's killers

they just acquitted Sean Bell's killers (Read 1141 times)

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Marcus

#41 April 27, 2008, 02:22:41 am

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Quote from: Homo-Welfarus on April 27, 2008, 01:04:20 am

you're doing a pretty poor job of living up to your name here marcus

shit...

DEM WHITE COPS DONE SHOT MAH NIGGA! THAT'S RACIST!

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#42 April 27, 2008, 02:35:11 am

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Yeah, this whole incident was really fucked up, there was no reason at all to fire 50 shots.

And I know Marcus' last post was a joke in response to H-W's comment, but I do have to clear one thing, as this is a response to some of the other comments:

Only one of the cops involved in the shooting was white. Out of the five, two were black, one was middle-eastern, one was white and the other was haitian-mexican. This doesn't change jack-all about whether the shooting is justifiable or not, it's a bad enough travesty without bringing out the whole race bullshit. That's all, the rest I'm not touching with a fucking 500 foot pole.

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#43 April 27, 2008, 03:46:55 am

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The thing that still amazes me is why undercover policemen are carrying ammo in the first place. Having a loaded firearm is protocol but it kind of defeats the entire purpose of being undercover when you're walking around with an armory in your coat pocket.

15 bullets is more than enough if things get hot. 31 bullets (I still don't understand this math) isn't.

EDIT: Actually, there's only ONE WAY he could have fired 31 shots with an M9 (assuming he was wielding an M9 but it's standard issue police weapon in 40 something states). You can have a full clip of 15 plus 1 round already chambered.

But that is incredibly stupid and breaks all protocol that I know of. I dunno if New York has some crazy lenient rules regarding weapon safety but you're supposed to have a condition 3 weapon when walking around which is slide forward, chamber empty, weapon on safe. I guess New York only believes in condition 1 weapons which is locked and loaded ready to fire at moments notice.

Last Edit: April 27, 2008, 03:53:30 am by angry black man

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#44 April 27, 2008, 12:53:08 pm

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Quote from: TMAC on April 27, 2008, 02:35:11 am

Only one of the cops involved in the shooting was white. Out of the five, two were black, one was middle-eastern, one was white and the other was haitian-mexican. This doesn't change jack-all about whether the shooting is justifiable or not, it's a bad enough travesty without bringing out the whole race bullshit. That's all, the rest I'm not touching with a fucking 500 foot pole.

ew we let mexicans and terrorists be police officers? what is the world coming to i will have to fire 50 bullets about this!!!!!!

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#45 April 28, 2008, 06:15:35 am

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Quote from: angry black man on April 27, 2008, 03:46:55 am

The thing that still amazes me is why undercover policemen are carrying ammo in the first place. Having a loaded firearm is protocol but it kind of defeats the entire purpose of being undercover when you're walking around with an armory in your coat pocket.

15 bullets is more than enough if things get hot. 31 bullets (I still don't understand this math) isn't.

EDIT: Actually, there's only ONE WAY he could have fired 31 shots with an M9 (assuming he was wielding an M9 but it's standard issue police weapon in 40 something states). You can have a full clip of 15 plus 1 round already chambered.

But that is incredibly stupid and breaks all protocol that I know of. I dunno if New York has some crazy lenient rules regarding weapon safety but you're supposed to have a condition 3 weapon when walking around which is slide forward, chamber empty, weapon on safe. I guess New York only believes in condition 1 weapons which is locked and loaded ready to fire at moments notice.

so basically those guns can go off at any second
well
no loss

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#46 April 28, 2008, 06:59:22 pm

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I don't understand what the undercover police expect when they approach someone on the street brandishing a gun. This guy never had a chance to do anything, but an armed citizen is probably going to react defensively to an approaching gunman.

In my opinion, undercover police need to identify themselves before whipping out their pieces when there is no obvious danger.

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#47 April 29, 2008, 12:16:18 am

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Isnora claimed that after he warned the men to halt, Bell pulled away in his car, bumped him and rammed an unmarked police van that converged on the scene.

i don't know what's doing on, it sounded like there was a tonne of cops (it said two that fired weren't even charged, and they had a police van along with the undercover cars or whatever)

was he hit by 50 bullets or were 50 shots fired? because both of his friends were also hit, one at least 4 times

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In announcing his verdict in the non-jury trial, the judge said that the inconsistent testimony, courtroom demeanor and rap sheets of the prosecution witnesses — mainly Bell's friends — "had the effect of eviscerating" their credibility.

does this mean that he didn't believe them or that there was some sort of technical problem in the trial (like when they mess up evidence, the defendent is automatically aquitted or whatever)

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#48 April 29, 2008, 12:36:31 am

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Quote from: Magical Negro on April 25, 2008, 03:19:54 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/police_shooting

This makes me so fucking angry. I've been following the case since it happened.

argh I cannot seriously believe a testimony like "well it looked like he was gonna pull a gun" when he PHYSICALLY COULDN'T BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE slid through.

all cops are garbage discuss.

The "evidence" that seems to be the basis of the verdict is the least reliable part of the whole thing.

This blog pretty much sums up my own feelings, and also gives a good run down of why this verdict is pretty fucking stupid: http://blog.uslegal.com/2008/04/25/sean-bell-observed-reaching-for-a-non-existent-weapon/

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#49 April 29, 2008, 01:00:33 pm

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Quote from: Magical Negro on April 25, 2008, 05:05:29 pm

black cops just as racist as whites!

Even more so.

And I'm disgusted by this whole thing. 50 shots...geez.

Hungry? Why wait?

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#50 April 30, 2008, 06:30:49 am

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50 bullets. Man that'd even be more than enough to kill 50 cent.

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#51 April 30, 2008, 11:38:25 am

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I'm not defending anyone here or anything but only the one cop went nuts with the bullets.

I got this from the Sean Bell wiki article (it has sources so it's not bullshit)

"Five of the seven officers investigating the club were involved in the shooting. Detective Paul Headley fired one round, Officer Michael Carey fired three, Officer Marc Cooper fired four, Officer Gescard Isnora fired eleven, and veteran officer Michael Oliver emptied two full magazines, firing 31 shots from a 9mm handgun and pausing to reload at least once.

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#52 April 30, 2008, 03:33:59 pm

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hooray two pages before the first apologist showed up.

I agree three shots at an unarmed suspect is not at all over the line especially while everyone else is shooting at him anyways.

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#53 April 30, 2008, 04:09:53 pm

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Quote from: Raimiette on April 30, 2008, 11:38:25 am

I'm not defending anyone here or anything but only the one cop went nuts with the bullets.

I got this from the Sean Bell wiki article (it has sources so it's not bullshit)

"Five of the seven officers investigating the club were involved in the shooting. Detective Paul Headley fired one round, Officer Michael Carey fired three, Officer Marc Cooper fired four, Officer Gescard Isnora fired eleven, and veteran officer Michael Oliver emptied two full magazines, firing 31 shots from a 9mm handgun and pausing to reload at least once.

doesnt matter because while 31 shots is absurd one is still ONE TOO MANY considering he didn't have a fucking weapon and one bullet is easily enough to kill.

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#54 April 30, 2008, 06:06:04 pm

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from what i've read it of the 50 bullets fired sean bell got hit eight times, that's four times in his neck and four times in his torso.

the thing about this is any defense is totally worthless from the police because he didn't have a gun and he was trying to get away. any attempt as putting this down to misinterpreting his intentions just means that they are prepared to kill someone with very little assurance that it is critical to their own survival. i mean he didn't have a gun, so they didn't see a gun.

i also don't know how wide an area this was happening in, but if they were really far away from him then it's ridiculous because why do you shoot a man eight times for glimpsing something which looks like it might be a gun at his waist (or wherever, his pocket who cares), and if it was really up close then how the fuck can you say it looked like he was going to pull a gun when you have the man right there and you could clearly identify a gun if there was one.

i don't know that much about this thing, i only looked into it because of this topic, but those are a couple of things i haven't seen mentioned here yet.

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#55 May 01, 2008, 09:44:17 pm

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4 times in his neck and torso

it's terrible this guy died but i also have the feeling people would look at this differently if it was framed 'Former drug dealer shot 4 times fleeing from a seedy strip club'

he drove his car into a police car, the cops were shooting to stop a car. if i was one of bell's two friends that were with him, i'd be pretty pissed off at him if he were still alive for getting me shot 19 times while he drunkenly drove his car into police.

i think i've got this idea that cops can shoot you for near nothing though, like when they run? in new zealand we chase them.

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#56 May 07, 2008, 09:35:02 pm

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Apparently there was some sort of protest going on today, and Al Sharpton, the two other guys that were with Bell, and Bell's fiance were arrested.

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#57 May 07, 2008, 09:42:53 pm

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it's terrible this guy died but i also have the feeling people would look at this differently if it was framed 'Former drug dealer shot 4 times fleeing from a seedy strip club'

yeah but that's despicable and only FOX NEWS would have the cojones to play it like that. the fact is an innocent man was killed for nothing, and that's where the rightful emphasis was placed.

also Sharpton did the same thing during the Diallo shooting.

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#58 May 07, 2008, 10:52:00 pm

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he drove his car into a police car, just because he didn't have a gun didn't mean he wasn't harmful

aren't american cops allowed to like, shout 'HEY STOP' then start shooting?

he was a suspicious guy in a suspicious place and he drove his car repeatedly into police vehicles

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#59 May 08, 2008, 12:05:11 am

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...do you know anything about the case?

they approached his car with DRAWN WEAPONS dude of course you get the fuck out of there. some reports say they started firing as they left their cars.

there was no warning and they were undercover and not clearly cops.

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#60 May 08, 2008, 02:20:01 am

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yeah what probably happened is a bunch of undercover cops decided to blow their cover and risk their lives because they felt like killing a black man

i can put myself in the cops shoes i can't put myself in seans shoes. he was about to go drink-driving btw

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