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fatty

#101 May 12, 2008, 10:05:59 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 09:57:14 am

Ok guys you can try to discredit them all you like. Hey their views are hated by a lot of people so I'm sure you'll have no problem finding quotes from people "discrediting" their research. Hey probably any black guy with a doctorate will be happy to add his name to the list. But is there any evidence to support your point of view? any evidence at all? trying to disprove my point of view doesn't do this. Can anyone name an iq test that blacks have actually scored equal to whites? How do you explain that blacks whites and hispanics all adopted into upper class white families with the same average income and given the same learning opportunities still have the same order of intelligence from the age of 3. Shit that might be a hard one.

asjdhgasjdgajdg what

You just can't understand that intelligence is not a genetic trait at all, the environment around you affects the way your brain "evolves" as you grow up, meaning that if you grow up in a xenophobic and racist society that doesn't WANT you to be equally treated simply because of your skin analogy of brown and pink then you are most likely going to be terribly mistreated and neglected, thus unable to score well in an IQ test. And doing well in IQ tests mean that you have the ability to score well in IQ tests-not that you are intelligent.

God, I wish I dumbed it down well enough for you.
(correct me if/where I am wrong)

Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 10:05:27 am

Sorry should've been clearer, by that I meant asians smarter than whites, smarter than hispanics, smarter than blacks.

man seriously what are you even talking about

WHAT DON'T YOU GET.

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Marmot

#102 May 12, 2008, 10:09:46 am

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Again, I want to stress that the whole argument is a moot-point.

We retarded spicks and lowbrow negroes may do in average worse in calculus, IQ tests, or whatever. However, whether it is because of genes or social standing, it lacks of any political significance because still there are black people that can do better in IQ tests than loads of mighty Aryans, regardless if in average they do worse. It is like finding a correlation between tall or fat people, and finding out that they do in average worse in IQ tests than the average short, skinny person, and then making a political statement saying that because tall people are in average more stupid we should segregate them.

It has no political significance whatsoever.

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Dredd

#103 May 12, 2008, 10:10:03 am

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Thats an interesting article Wil. However, it doesn't say that the data was inaccurate but rather that he regrets taking part in it due to the potential social ramifications

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Marmot

#104 May 12, 2008, 10:10:42 am

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Dredd reply to my simple point please!!!!

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Dredd

#105 May 12, 2008, 10:13:43 am

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Quote from: Marmot on May 12, 2008, 10:09:46 am

Again, I want to stress that the whole argument is a moot-point.

We retarded spicks and lowbrow negroes may do in average worse in calculus, IQ tests, or whatever. However, whether it is because of genes or social standing, it lacks of any political significance because still there are black people that can do better in IQ tests than loads of mighty Aryans, regardless if in average they do worse. It is like finding a correlation between tall or fat people, and finding out that they do in average worse in IQ tests than the average short, skinny person, and then making a political statement saying that because tall people are in average more stupid we should segregate them.

It has no political significance whatsoever.

Can't argue with you there Marmot you're totally right. This is just about averages and there are some really smart black people out there just like there are some really stupid asian people. It's all about averages and just because a certain race might be less intelligent on average doesn't really mean that an individual who is part of that race can't achieve just as much or be just as intelligent as someone from any other race.

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#106 May 12, 2008, 10:13:52 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 10:10:03 am

Thats an interesting article Wil. However, it doesn't say that the data was inaccurate but rather that he regrets taking part in it due to the potential social ramifications

oh and also that part where he said it was incredibly incomplete and inconclusive and that basing conclusions on the data it presented would be irresponsible, socially and intellectually

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fatty

#107 May 12, 2008, 10:14:30 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 10:10:03 am

Thats an interesting article Wil. However, it doesn't say that the data was inaccurate but rather that he regrets taking part in it due to the potential social ramifications

why do you refuse to reply to most comments on this page

is it because I am a hairy mediterran?

EDIT:also guys give me some racist slurs towards us greeks, all I have been called so far is hairy, which is hardly a slur

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Hahaha Olive Nigger hahahahahaha

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headphonics

#108 May 12, 2008, 10:14:56 am

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btw it's pretty funny how a lot of the past three pages have been UHHH IQ TESTS ARE PRETTY SILLY AND INTELLIGENCE IS NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO MEASURE and you never seemed to acknowledge that in the slightest

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Frisky SKeleton

#109 May 12, 2008, 10:15:31 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 07:54:16 am

Oh and btw I know half of you won't bother linking to those sites but heres some useful evidence based on research conducted by medical institutions:

Studies on over 700 participants show that words words words

this is from the same article you linked too before, and i know because i stopped at this segment and frowned. firstly neuronal pruning is associated with increases in intelligence (babbys aren't geniuses) (I didn't make this up, et al. 2008), and secondly because in THE SAME ARTICLE (Section 10: The Race-Behavior Matrix) he covers how blacks are bigger and mature quicker than whites

if everyone could stop posting WALLS OF CRAP that'd be cool, like if one person makes your point then you might just want to quote it and add your bit, and if you don't have a bit to add then DON'T BRING THAT POINT UP AGAIN

also no-one has brought up stereotype vulnerability (heh heh not even steele heh heh)

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Wil

#110 May 12, 2008, 10:16:12 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 10:10:03 am

Thats an interesting article Wil. However, it doesn't say that the data was inaccurate but rather that he regrets taking part in it due to the potential social ramifications

I know it doesn't, it says.. well what headphonics just said, but also addresses how you're viewing and dealing with the entire question.

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#111 May 12, 2008, 10:17:38 am

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Quote from: jackdanielsd on May 12, 2008, 10:14:30 am

why do you refuse to reply to most comments on this page

is it because I am a hairy mediterran?

EDIT:also guys give me some racist slurs towards us greeks, all I have been called so far is hairy, which is hardly a slur

well if you havn't noticed jack its one person arguing with 7 or 8 and i hardly have time to reply before getting something else i have to respond to. I havn't been responding to you in particular because you are obviously slightly retarded and have no idea of whats going on in the thread. Perhaps you should sit back and leave this discussion to people with atleast a slight degree of intelligence

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#112 May 12, 2008, 10:19:50 am

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oh and also that part where he said it was incredibly incomplete and inconclusive and that basing conclusions on the data it presented would be irresponsible, socially and intellectually

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This is just about averages and there are some really smart black people out there just like there are some really stupid asian people. It's all about averages and just because a certain race might be less intelligent on average doesn't really mean that an individual who is part of that race can't achieve just as much or be just as intelligent as someone from any other race.

I like how about five seconds ago you used the term black cunts and then you try be nice about it.

What about how it makes you angry seeing a black guy with a white girl?

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fatty

#113 May 12, 2008, 10:20:35 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 10:17:38 am

well if you havn't noticed jack its one person arguing with 7 or 8 and i hardly have time to reply before getting something else i have to respond to. I havn't been responding to you in particular because you are obviously slightly retarded and have no idea of whats going on in the thread. Perhaps you should sit back and leave this discussion to people with atleast a slight degree of intelligence

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Wil

#114 May 12, 2008, 10:21:02 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 10:17:38 am

well if you havn't noticed jack its one person arguing with 7 or 8 and i hardly have time to reply before getting something else i have to respond to. I havn't been responding to you in particular because you are obviously slightly retarded and have no idea of whats going on in the thread. Perhaps you should sit back and leave this discussion to people with atleast a slight degree of intelligence

maybe users with pink names have lower intelligence degrees or something idk?????

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#115 May 12, 2008, 10:24:17 am

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Quote from: headphonics on May 12, 2008, 10:14:56 am

btw it's pretty funny how a lot of the past three pages have been UHHH IQ TESTS ARE PRETTY SILLY AND INTELLIGENCE IS NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO MEASURE and you never seemed to acknowledge that in the slightest

Yeh thats a really good point I did address right in my first post though where i talked about the argument that IQ is an abstract social construction. Pretty much its that you're right that intelligence is hard to define but there is proven correlation between high iq and high success academically, financially and socially. So although we can not say that such tests mean someone is more "intelligent" we can say that they're likely to score higher academically, financially and socially etc. Magical negro made the response to this that correlation doesn't imply causation which I havn't responded to yet. The answer is that I'm not saying it is causation. If you like we can say the correlation with iq also means correlation with success as these two are correlated together. You could say that success is actually due to some third external factor that in fact is also correlated with IQ but either way it's the same result.

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#116 May 12, 2008, 10:24:58 am

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the darker your skin, the lower your IQ.
Guys how can you even argue against this point because it's so true.

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Dredd

#117 May 12, 2008, 10:27:04 am

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Quote from: Afura on May 12, 2008, 10:19:50 am

oh and also that part where he said it was incredibly incomplete and inconclusive and that basing conclusions on the data it presented would be irresponsible, socially and intellectually

I like how about five seconds ago you used the term black cunts and then you try be nice about it.

What about how it makes you angry seeing a black guy with a white girl?

If you want to discuss it come out of your room. I know the reason you made me come on here to discuss is that you were stumped and couldn't prove me wrong and so thought it'd be nice to have an army of people supporting you but this is just getting ridiculous

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#118 May 12, 2008, 10:29:50 am

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Quote from: Dredd on May 12, 2008, 10:24:17 am

Magical negro made the response to this that correlation doesn't imply causation which I havn't responded to yet. The answer is that I'm not saying it is causation. If you like we can say the correlation with iq also means correlation with success as these two are correlated together. You could say that success is actually due to some third external factor that in fact is also correlated with IQ but either way it's the same result.

you are argueing the genetic component of IQ tests from the fact black people score lower on IQ tests that's causation

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#119 May 12, 2008, 10:35:36 am

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So... you admit that IQ tests are shaky grounds, and that you need to correlate them with real life. Ok. But financial, academic and social (And what does that mean? they go down well at cocktail parties, or what?) success, which you are so often hold up as evidence of lesser intelligence is ignoring the fact that people are constantly discriminated against simply because of their skin colour. It's not that they're dumb, and so can't be CEOs- its that the other members of the board are all white and would prefer them to be janitors...

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Dredd

#120 May 12, 2008, 10:37:32 am

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You'd be right if I was basing it entirely on that simple fact but I'm not. I'm basing it on a combination of factors. One being the same deviation in IQ after environmental effects have been isolated (in adoption cases). Since the only two theories to the difference in AVERAGE IQ are environment and genes we can conclude that after eliminating environment, genes is the answer. This has also been shown by the fact that changing of environment (due to the increase of education and the better environment minorities grow up in compared to 50 years ago) has not changed the standard deviation difference between average IQs of races.

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