RPG Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood (Read 2870 times)

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and yes, about 95% of the games i've played are lucky if they are mediocre. i don't think anyone should apologise for bad stuff in games just because oh heck it's a video game. if this stuff i don't like was part of what made a game a game, then okay i probably just shouldn't bother with the video game forum, but i can think of a few games which are legitimately interesting, fun or enjoyable to play and didn't make me sick every five seconds. like half life 2, shadow of the collossus, deus ex or killer 7. these games aren't perfect at all, they pretty much all have, for example, bits of misogyny that they would definitely be better off without, but the difference is these games are not aiming to insult your intelligence, they are not aiming to be utterly generic. the actual gameplay mechanics are really only something i consider if i am able to get past the initial torrent of shit that most games hurtle towards me before the title screen has loaded.


if your issue is that i seem to have high standards or i'm impossible to please then no this isn't the case. i just expect something more from a game than a minimum effort generic copy of a game which was terrible in the first place but sold. i truly have many much better things to do with my time than this stuff and so does everybody else in the whole world so i keep posting in these topics because it might convince somebody or at least make them aware that no, you don't need to put up with the nasal pop-rock soundtracks, the hedgehog with attitude, the parade of zero dimensional new characters each game in this series brings in, the total insult that this game is to anyone over the age of let's say 14 who spends their money on it thus encouraging further iterations.

I actually completely and totally respect this opinion. So you'll get no criticism from me; my opinion on it however (just throwing my opinion for whoever is interested) is that I have a ball and paddle outlook towards games. I am extremely easy to please when it comes to video games because I accept them for what they are; amusement. I can thoroughly enjoy RPG plots, action game mechanics, platformers, etc and things like that because I just expect to be amused. That's it. Of course I don't hold books, TV shows, movies or whatnot to the same standard, its just that video games exist solely for my amusement and to kill some time. I don't really expect anything grand, but I'm pleased when I get it (Xenogears, Deus Ex, FF12, SFT3, etc). I'm a very chill kinda guy, and I buy video games to chill out, so when I pop in a video game and I find myself chillin' 30 minutes later, it's money well spent.

And I wasn't expressing that opinion to be contrary to you or anything, jamicus! I was just throwing it out there since you shared yours.
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man, will you let ball and paddle parallel go already.  you act like we're going into these games for anything but entertainment as well.  i don't want or expect a game that CHANGES MY OUTLOOK ON LIFE and i'm pretty sure no one else here does, either, but that doesn't mean i'm okay with it being complete trash.  you make this odd, senseless, arbitrary distinction between video games and EVERYTHING ELSE as if we don't all watch television for the exact same reason as well: entertainment.  and yet, you don't just watch whatever swill is on the screen; you have standards, and that is basically what is wrong with what you're saying.  you're acting as though playing games for amusement (whoaa unheard of) somehow precludes having some set of objective standards (i.e. EDGY HEDGEHOG isn't good or interesting at all if you are an adult and not highly susceptible to youth marketing schemes), and it doesn't at all.

we ALL play games for amusement or entertainment or whatever, but that doesn't stop us from differentiating between things that are good and things that are bad, and it shouldn't stop you either.  you sink dozens upon dozens of hours into these shitty games and then justify it by telling us that it's alright because they're only for your amusement and they don't have to be good, but what does it say about you and your intellect if you're seriously capable of finding this drivel AMUSING at all, let alone for so long?  not a whole lot!  everyone is in this shit for amusement on some major level, but the difference is, none of us can believe that this is what you actually find amusing to begin with.  you get this laughably superior attitude in topics like these, considering that your position is just one that tries to justify liking stupid, generic, childish shit, and you act like we expect too much of games, but judging from your admission that you don't hold games to any real set of standards at all as long as they meet the [apparently ][/apparently] requirement of amusing you, i think you expect too little.

so yeah, you seem to be coming at us like we find this kind of stuff fun but wait that just isn't enough!!! it needs to be thought-provoking and meaningful, but really we probably go into games with the same goals and expectations as you, and just do not find this shit amusing on even the most fundamental of levels and are baffled at how anyone over the age of fourteen ever could.
Last Edit: June 08, 2008, 05:19:25 am by headphonics
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Yeah, I AM easy to please when it comes to video games. Even though I've been playing games for years and I own a lot of them, I'm about as casual as it gets. Considering I have no real plans to purchase a next gen system ever makes my two cents worthless to the industry. Yes, I am incredibly easy to please when it comes to games. I don't really care. Sorry, I guess by some standards it means I'm a STUPID PERSON, but so be it, I certainly don't give a fuck if some internet people think I'm a STUPID PERSON for expecting too little from a video game (thats the implication anyway).

Uh, I'm not comparing my opinion to anyone else nor trying to elevate my position over anyone elses. I'm just saying I'm incredibly easy to please. I was just sharing my opinion like everyone else. If anything my opinion on how video games easily please me is DAMAGING to the industry (I don't give a fuck though). Like I said, I'm not trying to have any superior attitude or anything. If you thought otherwise, sorry, I guess you're being oversensitive. You guys should be used to how I come off by now. *shrugs*

I dunno, who really gives a shit. I'm not going to (attempt) to validate my preferences to a whole bunch of internet people. It's really dumb. So, this post ends here I guess. I pretty much know I'm going to get called a moron or whatever but I'm REALLY tired after getting off work so whatever.

(and for the record I was never defending this game in particular, it looks hilariously bad)

EDIT: I'm seriously going to have to put a disclaimer on my posts going ATTENTION; THIS POST REPRESENTS ONE OPINION OUT OF MANY AND THE USER IS NOT ATTEMPTING TO PORTRAY ANY IMPLICATION OF HIS OPINION BEING WORTH MORE THAN ANYONE ELSES. It's like you guys just don't get it.
Last Edit: June 08, 2008, 05:28:18 am by Feldschlacht IV
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the part that anyone gives a shit about is where you regularly come into topics like these and ramble on about balls and paddles and say things like HEH GUYS ITS JUST A GAME like we should actually be more like you when it comes to this stuff.  but i guess since we're used to it we can't still be annoyed by it huh???
Last Edit: June 08, 2008, 05:42:08 am by headphonics
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You shouldn't be annoyed by it because I have no intentions of implying that anyone should be like me. So uh if you're getting that impression I don't know what to tell you, especially since I repeatedly clarify in almost every post I make that it isn't the case. Perhaps you should see a therapist?

At worst my "balls and paddles" ramblings are just as prolific as you (or whoever) saying how terrible a game is anyway. What's the issue here again?
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I think videogames are a very young medium compared to say, movies or something, so in that regard I'm easier to please with games than movies. It doesn't excuse them from being shit but in all honesty most people are looking to shoot shit or play virtual sports so developers are rarely inclined to make something that pushes the envelope.

Still, I can easily see when a game is shit and sometimes I'll play it anyways if the gameplay is somewhat enthralling. I'm guessing that's what FIV meant by 'playing for amusement' or whatever. I don't think many (if any) games have stories that I'd consider up to par with other mediums. Even fantastic games like Fallout/Deus Ex/Half Life are still not up to the level of most mediums because they can use gameplay to cover up whatever plot shortcomings they have.

I agree videogames are sorely lacking in terms of satisfactory plotlines and settings for intelligent gamers but if you can't ever enjoy something like Halo or Company of Heroes or whatever because it doesn't cater to your intelligence then that's a bit silly. Unless you're referring to adults playing kiddy games which I agree with somewhat, although I still enjoy the Zeldas and Marios of the world because even though they have 0 in the way of plot they're still somewhat compelling to play. If you're just saying that you can still enjoy games while realising they're bad on levels of intelligence and setting and such then disregard what I've said because I agree!

I think in time games will become more of a serious medium, until then we've got sonic RPG's and such. Bioware are a consistently above average developer and shit like Baldur's Gate are in my opinion some of the highest points in games. So, yeah, this game might suck but I guess I'm putting some level of faith in Bioware to deliver.
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panda go see a therapist.

no really once I saw a trailer for Epic Movie and sighed heavily and in a few minutes the men in white coats injected me with enough diazepam that I performed brain surgery on a tick.
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I'd LIKE to believe that Bioware's ability to make consistently good RPGs will work with this game in the same way that Square's ability to make consistently good RPGs did for Super Mario RPG.

But I can't shake the feeling that any association with Sega flushes any possibility of that like an unwanted fetus. I mean, there are plenty of things more consistent than the enjoyability of Bioware's RPGs, and the first one that comes to mind is the application of this formula in regards to the contents of a video game:

Sonic + Plot = Complete fucking shit.

I mean fuck, the only reason it worked in the original platformer games was because it was never focused on and hardly even touched by the game itself! It's so convoluted and paper-thin that any attempt to pull depth from it has long been shown to cause the setting/concept to collapse under it's own weight.

It's so much more confirmed than the reputation Bioware has in regards to not releasing a shitty RPG. Sure, there's a first time for everything, but I would put my money on a shitty Bioware game long before I put money on Sega releasing a plot-heavy sonic game that somehow works (my best hope would be Bioware doing something crazy with the gameplay outside the plot/story, but that doesn't look likely. And even then my opinion of the game would have to be solely based on how easy and quick it is to skip any/all dialogue/story while keeping the game accessable to play on a purely non-story driven level.)
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seriously though I think ever since he came back Mog has posted some opinion deliberately intended to goad a reply out of someone, it's pretty bizarre.

as far as the idea that Bioware might make a quality product, eeeeeehhhhhh. they are pretty consistent with good gameplay if I remember but aren't the plots usually standard kind of fantasy shit? christ I am out of touch I guess because I don't think I've played one of their games in years but they made that Mass Effect game buttttt that game was also in development for years and something tells me Sega kind of doesn't give a shit about this one either.
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MN - They can be criticized fairly for having pretty standard plots (see: Jade Empire) but a Sonic RPG was never gonna succeed on the strength of its plot (since as said above Sonic with a plot usually means shit). Baldur's Gate had awesome characters for the most part and the plot was above what you'd expect for a game with that kind of setting. But yeah their whole obvious dialogue choice stuff is pretty well traveled ground nowadays (although Mass Effect apparently remedies this somewhat, I've only played an hour of it so I couldn't get a good grasp).

I'm not gonna be at all surprised if this game is total shit but I'm hoping Bioware being attached will elevate it above the steaming heap it would almost certainly be otherwise.
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people like Marcus or whatever swear by those comic books though. okay maybe he doesn't but I've seen people be like YEAH I USED TO LOVE THEM WHEN I WAS A KID, you can probably attach a plot to Sonic!
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I'm sure it's doable, I guess I'm just going by the recent games and TV series (even though it's universally agreed it's a horrible piece of shit and Sega probably had 0 to do with it). I'd be impressed if they pulled it off. I've never read the comics and I'm not a huge Sonic fan so I might not be the best person to discuss this!
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When you think about it in the grand scheme, you spent ALL of Super Mario RPG just trying to make it back to Bowser's Castle again, and in order to do that you needed to get 7 stars, each one linked to a little sub-plot...
The story was completely paper thin, but the way it was executed was brilliant...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this DOES have potential, I give it a 50-50 shot, the game SHOULD be okay as long as there are none the following:
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Injection of COOL/EDGY into Sonic's already 'on crack' persona
Plot Twist that Shade is Eggman's Robot/Mercenary/Conscience
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Sonic can have a plot. Unfortunately the plot in the comic books is, well, COMIC BOOK WRITING. I know I'm applying a huge fucking stereotype to DECADES of literature but, comic books can be pretty fucking ridiculous and Sonic wasn't a big exception. It was generally pretty competent though I think they eventually fell into the HES DEAD NO WAIT THAT WAS A CLONE AND ALSO HES DEAD BUT NO HES BACK FROM THE DEAD shit. For the record, I read from the first issue up to like #75 or something which was like 5 or 6 years worth of issues. They killed Robotnik in issue 50 I think, which was a pretty cool arc to me back then, but then it got all dramatic and there was this absurd Robotnik clone plot or something which eventually lead to the introduction of Eggman who you see in all the modern Sonic games.

The comics were perpetrators of some horrendous acts though; see Sonic Live, a 48 page special featuring photographs of real child actors with speech bubbles introduced into the virtual world of a cartoon Sonic. This was the cover: http://image.comicvine.com:8000/vol/20000/19228/19228-115228-1-sonic-live_150.jpg

It was like that horrible XBOX 360 Sonic game except 100% more cheesy and terrible.
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Sonic + Plot = Complete fucking shit.

I will have to agree here, the games were far better when it was "Press Start > Start the god damn game. Robotnik is bad, and uses machines" and so on.

Then they decided to add side characters. A ROBOT WITH A TROUBLED PAST AND NOTHING TO LOSE. A GIANT... CAT THING ... THAT FISHES! A Pink abomination love interest, the bat like prostitute, A recolored, Emo version of Sonic; and many many more.


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I still remember one panel where the brother was psyched about putting in his brand new Sonic and Knuckles Game Cartridge into his Sega Genesis (tm) and the panel showed him holding the Genesis "controller" except it was actually a huge TV remote that they just turned sideways or something. Like, the production values were awful even for fucking still photos in a comic book.
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Sonic can have a plot. Unfortunately the plot in the comic books is, well, COMIC BOOK WRITING. I know I'm applying a huge fucking stereotype to DECADES of literature but, comic books can be pretty fucking ridiculous and Sonic wasn't a big exception. It was generally pretty competent though I think they eventually fell into the HES DEAD NO WAIT THAT WAS A CLONE AND ALSO HES DEAD BUT NO HES BACK FROM THE DEAD shit. For the record, I read from the first issue up to like #75 or something which was like 5 or 6 years worth of issues. They killed Robotnik in issue 50 I think, which was a pretty cool arc to me back then, but then it got all dramatic and there was this absurd Robotnik clone plot or something which eventually lead to the introduction of Eggman who you see in all the modern Sonic games.

I think they're up to issue 170 or something now and they got a new writer who basically retconned all the shitty Liefeld-esque plotlines and cut back on the melodrama.  It's actually somewhat decent now but it still has some 50 issues of mess to clean up.
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Hahhahaha yes, that's the one. I guess they had wireless controllers for the Genesis back in 1996!!!!!
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