Oh, I thought you meant 'here' as in GW. I thought it was a bit odd since pretty much the only people saying otherwise are Blitzen and mkkmypet!

The general forum just lost my custom.

hmm this is interesting, although I don't think it prooves that people are gay from birth, it has only prooven that homosexuals have a deformity in their brain. I'm not a scientist, but when you get schizophrenia it causes a physical change in your brain.



Schizophrenia has been known to be caused by social problems and even contraversially by smoking weed (although not concrete evidence). There has also been research to see if it is genetic, just like some people are more prone to cancer through their genes.

Now, I'm not saying people choose to get Schizophrenia, but sometimes people get it through a social situation. So is it not possible for people become homosexual out of choice, but still not from birth, but from a social situation?

I think the proof in this experiment is ambiguous and has been swung to show that homosexuals are pre-determined by birth, but I don't neccersarily think the results show this.

WOW!! you're an idiot

there's no place to start with this shit so I'm just going to talk about something else. FYI not only do you have a terrible understanding of the brain and schizophrenia but you're also being really offensive here with this shit, don't pull stuff like this out of your ass dude it makes you look like some useless bigot hick.

schizophrenia actually relies heavily on genetics, eg if one of your siblings has it you've got a 1/2 chance of developing it. as far as I know they haven't determined any gene for it (if one even exists) but it may be strongly influenced by numerous independant genes coming together. not really the best PROOF to use for homosexuality being a choice so you people can stop  bringing it up, it's incredibly stupid and pretty annoying too

i consider being gay a sin, just like stealing or lying is a sin.

It's a sin to wear clothing made of two different fabrics. This is stated in the same bible where it says that a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding day ought to be stoned to death on her father's doorstep.

This is biblical cherry-picking used to justify your own bigotry, and the bigotry of other Christians.

guys dont bully on mkkypet she is like 9

i dont feel bad about jumping on blitzen because he is 22 and i am 19 and he is stupid as hell

guys dont bully on mkkypet she is like 9

she's like 13 or 14 now, fuck it, if you're going to present your ideas at that age you're allowed to be told that your ideas make you a terrible person

i pretty much agree with what dada said

Vale, she's into japanese bondage shit so homosexuality shouldn't be that gross to her, comparatively.

she is?
Any way, i realise this is kind of random but hasn't it been said there is a gay gene? If that's true then you can't controll being gay, and not acting on the impulse to be gay and instead force yourself to like the opposite sex is damaging to yourself and your partner, epically because you can't choose to be gay, you either are or aren't.

The two sides of the argument seem to be that your gay by choice made by you or though several other choices that made you ultimately choose to be gay or that its a physical thing.
Either way it's irrelevant in a sense because weather your gay or not you can't choose to be attracted to the same sex or not. All you can choose is to act on those attractions that much is prooven ( admittedly i can't get evidence, but i can remmember reading something about that).
If your going to argue against me saying that it is a choice by social or whatever that its a choice to be gay, well just ask a gay person, did you choose to be gay or did you just feel auto attracted to same sex?

WOW!! you're an idiot

there's no place to start with this shit so I'm just going to talk about something else. FYI not only do you have a terrible understanding of the brain and schizophrenia but you're also being really offensive here with this shit, don't pull stuff like this out of your ass dude it makes you look like some useless bigot hick.

schizophrenia actually relies heavily on genetics, eg if one of your siblings has it you've got a 1/2 chance of developing it. as far as I know they haven't determined any gene for it (if one even exists) but it may be strongly influenced by numerous independant genes coming together. not really the best PROOF to use for homosexuality being a choice so you people can stop  bringing it up, it's incredibly stupid and pretty annoying too

wow

Err I said that it is also genetic, just like some people are more prone to cancer through their genes, but you still get cancer through other means that help the process a long. Also note that everyone can get cancer.

My point was that if you can get schizophrenia from social situations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Social (no I'm not 'pulling this from my ass')

Then is it not possible to inherit the feeling homosexuality from social situations. They both cause a change in the brain apparently.

I'm not saying that people have a choice of being gay, I'm just saying that maybe through social situations and upbringing people become gay rather than plainly being born with it. For instance, if it's in your genes to be acceptable to schizophrenia, it doesn't neccersarily mean you will get it. Same with if you have a history of cancer in your family and it's in your genes, doesn't dictate that YOU WILL GET CANCER. I'm also pretty sure that the change in the brain activity only occurs when you actually have schizophrenia and isn't there in normal people who have schizophrenia in their genes. My mum is a social work for the mental health unit and they always come up with a reason why someone became a maniac depressive or a schizophrenic etc and it usually links back to a problem in their social life. I was suggesting that if someone was prone to being gay, then maybe something could set it off in their social life or upbringing, but for some people with 'the gay gene' might not get into the same situation and therefore won't become gay. So if there is such thing as being born gay, I still think something has to trigger it. I'm not saying it's a choice, I'm just saying that I don't think people are pre-determined from birth if they are going to be gay

edit: just noticed a typo in my original statement. It should have read this

So is it possible for people become homosexual not out of choice, but still not from birth, but from a social situation?

It's a poorly worded sentence and I think I got the wrong message across.

People like confusing being gay, with gay actions. You can't control what you like, but you can control your actions.

You choose to have relations with the same sex, but you don't choose who you are attracted to.

she is?

heh heh heh


lyndon: those "social situations" are all linked to long-term stress, which can help trigger schizophrenia. It's not a cause and it's not like you were suggesting at first.

I see what you're trying to say about homosexuality. yeah, imo it's still entirely possible that homosexuality can be more or less developed through experiences and cognition during the crucial ages of development. but contrary to what you'd think, many studies have shown that homosexuals tend to come from rather normal backgrounds, and there's no major linking trait between their early development. gender role mix-up also isn't linked to homosexuality (YOU LET HIM PLAY WITH DOLLS AND THAT IS WHY HES GAY), and it's been shown that having a passive father and domineering mother or vice versa won't turn you gay or straight. if experiences and cognition can affect ones sexuality, it's in an indeterminable way probably linked to the subconscious, and they'll never find a defining way to raise your kid to be gay or straight, because there isn't one! you could raise your kid to hate homos or think that gay people will go to hell but that won't actually affect their sexuality, just whether or not they repress it and become some misogynist cancun party twink who ends up giving his best bud a rimjob while they're drunk

schizophrenia is a terrible mental disorder, and comparing it to homosexuality is still really dumb.

sorry if it sounded offensive. The only reason I was using it as an example becuase it is a condition, which changes the activity in the brain as does being gay according this article