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Clarified already DN GET WITH THE TIMES.

I agree wholeheartedly with Freeze, as I said before, because he's not really cut-and-dry (no pun intended) as a  character. But to be fair, guys, don't base the Riddler off of Jim Carrey's freakish performance. He has something like super OCD, and he physically cannot NOT leave clues. He doesn't really want to leave clues, but he has to. Also, he might be a little similar to the Joker on the outside, but he's actually a 'schemer' that Joker was talking about in the movie. He has elaborate death traps and big plans, and while the Joker had plans too, these are more plans for crimes, instead of plans of instilling chaos in Gotham. Nolan could make something very different from the Joker with the Riddler I think!

Also Bazooka, Bane is a really interesting character too. He kind of had the past of Edmond from The Count of Monte Cristo, I dunno if you know it. He spent a long time in a jail, paying out his father's debt, and during that time he got a real classical education. He's actually really really smart, like, he figured out Batman's identity in one day and, instead of just taking him on himself, he freed everyone from Arkham and after Batman tired himself out catching everybody, Bane fought Batman and broke his back. He's also on this drug called Venom, which makes him super-strong. He needs to have it every 12-hours, though, or else he goes into this extreme withdrawals.

I read too many articles on wikipedia...
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Also Bazooka, Bane is a really interesting character too. He kind of had the past of Edmond from The Count of Monte Cristo, I dunno if you know it. He spent a long time in a jail, paying out his father's debt, and during that time he got a real classical education. He's actually really really smart, like, he figured out Batman's identity in one day and, instead of just taking him on himself, he freed everyone from Arkham and after Batman tired himself out catching everybody, Bane fought Batman and broke his back. He's also on this drug called Venom, which makes him super-strong. He needs to have it every 12-hours, though, or else he goes into this extreme withdrawals.

THIS IS WHY WE NEED BANE GODDAMN
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Yeah, I'd say that Bane or Clayface would have to be my choices for other villains that could possibly fit into the Nolan franchise, namely because they aren't pun-slinging theme-characters. Ron Perlman did the voice of Clayface in the cartoon, and I think he's well enough used to heavy makeup and FX to still pull off a good performance as a shapeshifting, vengeance wrought thug. If they were to use Clayface, I'd be worried about what the CG might look like, because as cool as the character is, I can imagine what CG shapeshifting arms would look like (bad). Anyways, if they're running out of villains, its not that hard to have Bruce Wayne thrown back into a Red Chinese prison.
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They could always do Black Mask... Or a re-interpretation of the Red Hood. Or Deadshot? That would be cool.
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Clayface is too much like Sandman, and it's too soon after Spiderman 3 to introduce him.

Furthermore, I thought the latest reincarnation was moving away from the mystical and supernatural aspects of the Batman mythos?

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Deadshot was already in Gotham Knight, the animation that's suppose to be what happened between Batman Begin and The Dark Knight.  I've also heard from somewhere that the director said Penguin wouldn't be in this new Batman world since he's too cartoon-ish. I don't think anyone can top Tim Burton's Penguin anyway, but I could be wrong.
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I havn't seen this one yet ( im in Holland so it isn't showing yet ).

 but the IMdb grade is ridiculous, I know its mostly hyped votes, but the admins of IMDB shouldn't have put the movie there when it only had 4000 votes.


luckly IMDBs top 1000 voters gave it a more acceptable grade
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i think black mask would be sweet, catwoman and penguin would be ok as minor villains/background characters, and riddler is most likely for the next sequel.
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In response to speculation that Philip Seymour Hoffman was approached for the role of the Penguin, as a British arms dealer in The Dark Knight, franchise director Christopher Nolan said he considered the character difficult to portray on film, explaining, "I'd be more excited to have Philip Seymour Hoffman in the film than to have the Penguin. There are certain characters that are easier to mesh with the more real take on Batman we're doing. The Penguin would be tricky."[3] Recently, viral marketing for The Dark Knight included a Gotham Times newspaper, featuring a newspaper ad for the Iceberg Lounge, one of the Penguin's businesses. Prior to the release of The Dark Knight in 2008, David Goyer ruled out using the Penguin or Catwoman as a villain in a future film, preferring to use antagonists from the comic that had not yet been portrayed on the big screen.
So apparently they want to use characters that haven't been in movies already.

If this was true, and he counted all the Batman movies... Wouldn't this leave...the Black Mask...and a bunch of no-name villains?
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Just one quick question about what defines a Superhero movie:  Are movies like the James Bond movies and The Bourne series count as superhero movies?  I mean, if Batman counts (especially the latest films) shouldn't Bond movies with all his out-of-this-world gadgetery and crazy impossible stunts be superhero movies?

Some movies just blur the lines.

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Just one quick question about what defines a Superhero movie:  Are movies like the James Bond movies and The Bourne series count as superhero movies?  I mean, if Batman counts (especially the latest films) shouldn't Bond movies with all his out-of-this-world gadgetery and crazy impossible stunts be superhero movies?

Some movies just blur the lines.

Superhero movies are movies based on superhero comic books. James Bond isn't a superhero.
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So apparently they want to use characters that haven't been in movies already.

If this was true, and he counted all the Batman movies... Wouldn't this leave...the Black Mask...and a bunch of no-name villains?
like it said, that was before the dark knight came out. although i guess a batman franchise wouldn't be complete without at least two-face if not joker. but i think they just don't want to do the same old villains over and over, especially small-time villains that weren't particularly interesting or plausible. that probably rules out mr freeze and poison ivy in addition to the penguin and catwoman, although bane would definitely fit. that idea of mr freeze just hauling around liquid nitrogen isn't bad, though.

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Man the thing is Batman has a small selection of excellent bad guys, and then pretty much nothing else!
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I finally saw this last night!  It wasn't life-changing or anything but it was probably the best action film I have ever seen.

Also Heath Ledger was really amazing.
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Superhero movies are movies based on superhero comic books. James Bond isn't a superhero.
That's not true. Hancock and The Incredibles are a superhero movies but are not based on a comic book at all.

the wikipedia definition of a superhero is
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A superhero (sometimes rendered super-hero or super hero) is a fictional character "of unprecedented physical prowess dedicated to acts of derring-do in the public interest"

Wikipedia definition of a superhero film is
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A Superhero film is an action, fantasy or science fiction genre film that is focused on the actions of one or more superheroes, who are individuals who possess superhuman abilities relative to a normal person.

But you know a superhero film is a controversial term, who knows what it's defined as. The point is Batman is a superhero movie, and the Bond series are not. I don't see how Punisher Warzone is a superhero movie tho.

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Batman is an anti-hero not a superhero I thought.
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How is Batman an anti-hero? 
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Batman is a super hero since he saves the day and has heroic qualities, and has "powers" above the normal ordinary man even though technically he is also considered a costume crime fighter because he actually doesn't have any super powers besides being rich out of his ass and having every conceivable object known to man in a tiny belt.

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That isn't to say he wasn't originally an anti hero, but his archetype is slowly being considered more heroic in general. Back when it first came out it was probably considered anti heroic, but not really anymore as the genre has advanced.
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That isn't to say he wasn't originally an anti hero, but his archetype is slowly being considered more heroic in general. Back when it first came out it was probably considered anti heroic, but not really anymore as the genre has advanced.

Also, in the movies at least he's pretty violent and routinely tortures people and generally has a pretty dark personality.  But I agree that these days it's pretty typical for superheroes to have moral dilemmas or drug addictions or sadistic tendencies.