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Do you believe the earth is overpopulated with humans?  I remember reading that in the 60's the world population was a little over 3 billion and now it's at 6.7 billion.  Do you think this is a problem?  I recently came across:
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And I found them really interesting.  What do you think is causing high population increase?  What do you think is a solution?  Do you think it's a problem or not?  Or, do you not just give a fuck?
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This is pretty common knowledge. Actually I can't really see a discussion in this.

There are too many people, there always will be. End of story.


Keywords: Population explosion, baby boomers, mars
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This is pretty common knowledge. Actually I can't really see a discussion in this.

There are too many people, there always will be. End of story.


Keywords: Population explosion, baby boomers, mars
But what do you believe is the cause of the problem?  And what do you think the solution is?
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too many people fucking and they should all go on vegan diets
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What are you talking about dude?

Common sense dictates that people have children. 2+1=3. 3>2. More people.

There is no solution. Communism could potentially bar people from having children, but that's pretty ridiculous.
As I said, there is NO solution. The earth will fill up and we will die of starvation.

edit: I apologize for being a dick. It seems like pretty basic knowledge though. If it bothers you try not to think about it.
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But why are humans overpulted?  Why aren't gorillas overpopulated?  Why aren't gazelles overpopulated?  I don't necessarrily have a solution, but barring people from having children is a no.

too many people fucking and they should all go on vegan diets

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The Question (ID Number 78)...
Since so much of the world's agricultural production is tied up with raising and feeding cattle, wouldn't it help if people ate less meat?

...and the response:
Vegetarianism tends to solve the FOOD problem but tends to aggravate the POPULATION problem. That is, global vegetarianism would enable us to FEED more people, thus it would also enable us to PRODUCE more people. As always and forever, there is no one right way for people to live, any more than there is one right way for birds to build a nest or for spiders to spin a web.
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according to your friend derrick jensen and john zerzan we should destroy technology so that we stop being alienated and billions die of hunger and illnesses.

doktormartini i bet thats the answer in the back of your head
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If we get rid of Asia (that is the Browns and the Yellows, not just the yellows) we'd be straight.

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But why are humans overpulted?  Why aren't gorillas overpopulated?  Why aren't gazelles overpopulated?  I don't necessarrily have a solution, but barring people from having children is a no.

because people (sickies) are living beyond their means meanwhile others (eskimos) are adapting their environments to live where they otherwise would not
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Because there are a few thousand times more humans than gorillas, that means we breed a few thousand times faster.
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that and humans are one of those animals that have sex for more than just reproduction purposes, while other ones have sex when they need to KEEP THEIR POPULATION ALIVE i guess

I came into general hoping this was a cool topic but then it turned out to be a doktormartini topic....

what a sham...e...

problem: sex is cool
solution: cull the human race to stop factories from producing greenhouse gases and this will also stop cows from farting

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i seriously still can't believe you said GO VEGAN BECAUSE COWS FART

like, jesus, that was so stupid i cant take it
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But why are humans overpulted?  Why aren't gorillas overpopulated?  Why aren't gazelles overpopulated?  I don't necessarrily have a solution, but barring people from having children is a no.


Because we are at the top of the food chain. We can live just about anywhere and can eat almost anything, we've also got technology to make up for what we lack as a species
so there really isn't anything stopping us from overpopulating.
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they should all go on vegan diets

no I was not backing up your flawed logic I was trying to say that this would help thin the population because alot of them would die off from malnutrition
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What are you talking about dude?

Common sense dictates that people have children. 2+1=3. 3>2. More people.

There is no solution. Communism could potentially bar people from having children, but that's pretty ridiculous.
As I said, there is NO solution. The earth will fill up and we will die of starvation.

edit: I apologize for being a dick. It seems like pretty basic knowledge though. If it bothers you try not to think about it.
Your common sense is way off dude.
If 2 people have one child, after the child's parents die there's less people than there was before the baby was born. If everyone would have just one baby, the population would gradually decrease, not increase. Population rises over the time, when the average number of babies per family is more than 2 (this is of course a very simplified explanation, in reality there's a lot of variables that matter). I didn't read the articles linked, so not sure if the "stages" of population progression was discussed there. I remember studying some of population progression theory on school. I think the stages of the common theory goes something like this:
1. First both the birth rate and death rate of a colony are high, so the population stays somewhat balanced.
2. When health care and technology and all sorts of other things that make it easier for people to stay alive improves the death rate decreases significantly, meaning that the birth rate exceeds death rate significantly which means an exponential increase in population.
3. During time the birth rate will gradually drop to a level that will be more balanced with death rate when people realize that they don't need to have 4 babies if they want 2 to live. During this period the birth rate is still higher than death rate so the population is still increasing, but is gradually slowing down.
4. At this point the birth and death rate have been stabilized and the population stays somewhat balanced again.
5. The population starts to decrease gradually because the people who were born in the exponential birth stage will begin to die, and the current birth rate is much lower.

I think that most of the developed countries are in stage 4 or 5 (Finland is in stage 5, for example), while most developing countries are in stage 2 or 3. This is obviously pretty simplified version of the theory and probably not that accurate, but I think it does give a good idea to exactly why the population rises, and why in some places it doesn't.

You can read more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

This obviously only explains the growth of population in small intervals, not in the grand scale.

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China and India. Wtf? And yes, we're way too many.
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Your common sense is way off dude.
If 2 people have one child, after the child's parents die there's less people than there was before the baby was born. If everyone would have just one baby, the population would gradually decrease, not increase.

This is true to a degree, but generally, most people have grandparents. Pair that with siblings, and you have population overload.

I dunno about Finland, but we know for a fact that as a whole the world's birthrate is not going to even out with the deathrate until it's too late. What will probably happen is we will get to a point where there are many people living in close quarters and a black plague-esque disease will break out and buy us time.


edit: also, in America we have to consider the large number of people who have children outside of marriage, or people who divorce and have children in a new marriage. There are people with 2-3 kids all with different combinations of parents!
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Other animals are not overrunning the planet because of their rate of survival until reproduction, and their ability to expand into new territory is limited.

Humans have agriculture, shelter, clothing and medicine so they've expanded and survived everywhere.



Still, overpopulation is only a moderate existential risk. Just makes expansion into space and non-corporeality even more appealing. And we probably should not emphasize it over bigger threats like nuclear weapons.
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But why are humans overpopulated?  Why aren't gorillas overpopulated?  Why aren't gazelles overpopulated?  I don't necessarily have a solution, but barring people from having children is a no.
this just in: doktormartini advocates feeding people to lions instead of contraception

Seriously dude what were you thinking when you wrote that?

that and humans are one of those animals that have sex for more than just reproduction purposes, while other ones have sex when they need to KEEP THEIR POPULATION ALIVE i guess
exactly because when a dog is humphing a table leg he wants to create a dog/table hybrid

Guys, population growth is people being born minus people dying off. If, unlike Doktormartini, you don't feel like killing people, there's birth control. And for all you tossers shouting BABBY KILLAR and COMMUNIST, shut up and listen: there's these newfangled rubber thingies called condoms I suggest you look into this new development (condoms are the future)

Also, it's been pretty much proven to hell and back that education = less children. Educate developing countries and voila more food for us.
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Because there are a few thousand times more humans than gorillas, that means we breed a few thousand times faster.

Actually it just means we're better at killing them.  That's the only reason that gorillas don't appear in greater numbers, or any other animals for that matter.  Anyways, I don't think it's that we're overpopulated just yet, but we have horribly mismanaged the planet and it's resources. 
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Actually it just means we're better at killing them.  That's the only reason that gorillas don't appear in greater numbers, or any other animals for that matter.  Anyways, I don't think it's that we're overpopulated just yet, but we have horribly mismanaged the planet and it's resources.

This, to an extent, though i'd say the fact that we're pretty top notch at being able to adapt to most enviroments whilst other animals just cant do that.

It's something that does trouble me. Whenever i see medical stuff improving i'm always pleased on a personal level for people, but thinking of everyone its only going to make things harder.
It's a tricky one to call. We can't make people stop having kids and we can't stop curing people of stuff we can cure, that's just wrong. The problem is simple: We're too healthy for our own good

Not something anyone can really solve without being pretty horrid, so i'd say we concentrate on making our overwhelming presence as enviromentally friendly as we can, because it's all we can do.
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exactly because when a dog is humphing a table leg he wants to create a dog/table hybrid

Ya but thats not what he meant. There are very few animals out there that are proven to have sex just to have a shag, about the only one I know of that I can name off the top of my head is like dolphins? There's probably more sure, but a majority of them go through mating calls/rituals etc. We're also one of the few species where sex means something to us more than just keeping our species alive. Sure, that's a part of it (PASSIN DOWN THE FAMILY NAME...), but there's more interactions between us then that. Other animals have similar stuff too, but not on the same level of depth that it brings us and our society.
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Basically here is a summary of this entire issue:

We are having babies, thus population!!!

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But why are humans overpopulated?  Why aren't gorillas overpopulated?  Why aren't gazelles overpopulated?

Why does this not happen to gorillas and gazelles?  Because not only do we tend to have sex without the intent to reproduce (as well as not waiting for a certain time of year to have babies), and not only do we have significantly more food due to our abilities to FARM AND RAISE LIVESTOCK (which only those ants that farm aphids or whatever they were seem to do too) we also have medicine and such to keep us alive.  If a gazelle loses a leg, it probably isn't going to live much longer.  If a human loses a leg, we just MAKE THEM A NEW ONE.  It's that simple dude, I don't know why the fuck you'd even bring up this point because even in your world of let's compare ourselves to animals, I would think that this would be PRETTY DANG OBVIOUS.  If you can't figure out that we can keep ourselves alive far better than animals, you are WAAAAAAY far gone.
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