Why have a baby that most mothers agree will put you through atleast few years of hell when you could adopt one instead. Not only that but they'll be much more considerate of your teachings then the little pricks that'll come out of your woman. Of course this is through me listining to other peoples children raising days.

as someone who is now probably sterile, I actually looked up the process behind IV fertilization and it is SO INSANELY LONG AND PAINFUL, seriously. like a fuckton of injections and shit for months at a time. I basically don't get the point of in vitro unless you really think MY GENES RULE.

I dunno if any of you know this, but Steel is actually Big Boss.

Anyway the pros of adoption heavily outweigh the cons. Besides, if I had a kid it'd probably choke on my memory cards or any other shit that I leave all over the floor. Yeah, I'll be such a great father regardless.

Why have a baby that most mothers agree will put you through atleast few years of hell when you could adopt one instead. Not only that but they'll be much more considerate of your teachings then the little pricks that'll come out of your woman. Of course this is through me listining to other peoples children raising days.

Ugh, you are awful. This and your last post in this thread about, like, nerve stapling or whatever make me think you are either a horrible joke account or just really dumb!

The problem with adopting children is that a) If you don't adopt very very young babies there is a good chance that the child will always feel disassociated with the rest of the family, especially if it is made common knowledge that he was adopted at his or her elementary school. Kids are assholes to the max and if they would pretty much never let up on someone they knew (or even mildly believed) was adopted, which in turn would give the kid all sorts of issues regarding how he or she amalgamated into the family. b) while there is nothing wrong with adopting children of another race it does make it really obvious to said asshole kids that you were adopted c) Most people agree that the way people turn out is a result of the balance between nature and nurture, which means that no matter how well you nurture the kid he might still be genetically predisposed to being addicted to hard drugs or stealing things or something! And while it is possible to raise a kid really well regardless of their background, if they ever once succumb to peer pressure or start hanging around with the wrong kids at school there is not much you can do about that.

Adoption is really good for a lot of kids and a lot of people, but it's really not an easy process by any measure. Pregnancy certainly isn't easy either, but once you are pregnant you are pretty much forced down one or two paths and you don't need to be motivated to continue the process and jump over hurdle after hurdle. I think there is a lot of merit in seeing a little kid who is just like you and your spouse running around and having the ability to annoy them with comments like "you've got your gpas nose" or whatever.

I should have been more clear, 9 months of pregnancy plus 2 years of stress raising said baby (which is inevitable, of course, itès still stressful afterwards but it's really bad within the first few years) and having to go through leaving your brain in a chemical soup for a while afterwards, on the girls side, i'd think that adoption is the better alternative.

Adopted children may feel predisposed but honestly whether they'll be able to atach themselves to said adoptive parents and feel like family wholey depends on nurture (within the first year for babies) and whether you actually care for them in a loving way. How they deal with other factors depends on how good you are at teaching andéor raising them, and a whole bunch of other factors. After a certain age the issues of attachment are much more complicated but all I can really say is be loving and learning to connect with them. After six years attachment problems (if there still is any) are very similar for parents of both adopted and non-adopted children.

A bad parent is a bad parent regardless.

But I actually mean't that second sentence to be a joke, it was a horrible joke and I won't do that again I think.

EDIIT: Nerve Stapling... I don't know what your talking about are you sure I posted about nerve stapling. I posted about stop making more food and keeping it constant and our egos getting in the way.

Ah, but how good of a parent are you really if you try to shirk those initial responsibilities? Isn't that just a bit lazy?

Bah, enough with the devil's advocate. This'll turn into a "you're a guy and you have nooo idea how hard childbirth is!!!" thing and well, let's face it -- none of us would be able to beat that argument.

Kaempfer does bring up a good point about child disassociation, but that child will be disassociated regardless of who picks him up. I don't think that should deter the parents from adopting at all. Furthermore, the family itself can cope with it -- and it's not impossible to get over.

I am not saying being adopted is worse than not being adopted, I am saying that it is hard as fuck for the family to adopt (contrary to that one dude who said it was magically easier than raising your own genes). It's still a good idea though!

Also sorry bled I was thinking of where Boulvae said it would be best if we just stopped producing surplus food which would make us into termite people or something, but I couldn't remember which ridiculous thing it was I was angry about.

I didn't say it like that either. I said seperately that maybe some day some idiot would figure out how to utilise the bactera in the termites, which break down the wood and produce waste full of nutrients they didn't digest which the termite would then digest, into us so then we could start eating trees.