It's not a sexual orientation.
Sexual orientation is what genders you sexually attracted to. Children are not a gender, they have a gender but there is no gender called Children.
okay so maybe not orientation, my bad, I just thought the quote was pretty good so I felt like using it. I think fetish is the right word for this then.
Ugh. Pedophilia is considered wrong because children are A) not physically developed B ) not world wise/intelligent enough/etc to make decisions for themselves in many respects. They can't give informed consent because most kids just aren't at a place mentally where they could really BE informed.
Sorry not a troll post. And my case is that because its wrong doesn't automatically make it a disorder. It can be illegal, but that doesn't make the pedophiles clinically disturbed people.
I don't think people being attracted to kids is wrong. I find the idea pretty weird and hard to relate too, but i guess it's just something people have.
However, it's when people act on their feelings for children that things start getting out of hand (for the reasons listed above).
Yeah this. I find it to be basically descrimination when you just immediately call these people insane or evil.
When someone constantly feels driven to do something awful (IE kill someone or whatever), its still considered a mental disorder isn't it?
yes I suppose it is, but there's a difference between having an attraction and RAPING CHILDREN 24/7!
I am not advocating the ACT, I am defending the ATTRACTION!Not true if that is his case, homosexuality has basically always been considered a sexual orientation because...well...it's what a sexual orientation is. It's just been considered a wrong/terrible/sinful orientation because people are stupid. If anyone considered it a paraphilia then they are dumb. The main reason why homosexuality can't be a paraphilia is because homosexuality is not based around a non-consenting person (that is just rape if a guy has sex with a non-consenting guy) and the urges/fantasies/behaviors do not cause distress or interpersonal difficulty with the other person involved (unless if it is rape).
Ah, very good point. I've learned a lil something. So it is different than pedophilia then. Good point, however it was still being discriminated against, which is kind of what the pedophilia situation is now.
pedos are fucking sick and should be pounded into the ground, not a fake post, hope this helps.
good job fucknut
Pedophilia should be considered a disorder if you disregard the semantic psychobabble and approach things from a more pragmatic point of view. I think that the one thing everyone can agree upon is that it is a despicable practice that deserves absolutely no form of encouragement from anyone. It is something that is not socially acceptable under any circumstances and is punishable by law for very good reason. Therefore, why not treat it as a disorder?
Lets say that I look at black people from a pragmatic point of view (yes I'm comparing pedos and blacks now!). I can see that a lot of blacks are responsible for rape and thefts, primarily in the inner cities. Those actions are not socially acceptable and are also punishable by law...and yet it would be completely racist and discriminatory to take all the blacks from the areas in question and confine them to prisons or keep them under guard and on record IN CASE they commit a crime. So the point of this comparison which i'm sure will end up offending people is this: replace black with pedo and that's pretty much how we are treating the pedophiles.
The one thing that I think is utterly ridiculous about this thread is the idea that pedophilia should be accepted as a sexual orientation. I don't know what your personal definition of that phrase is and it doesn't really matter in the first place, but society warming up to the idea of child RAPE (i.e. pedophilia) would have lots of negative repercussions that are a bit too depraved to even mention.
Fair enough, and its ture i am wrong on this point. Sexual orientation isn't right, its more like "fetish".
You'd say, from some point of view, that since homosexuality and pedophilia both deal with sexual preference, they're likely to stem from a similar source, but I don't think that's the case. But it probably will take a while before we figure that out because of how difficult it is to accurately analyze the brain's function.
True. In fact I'm pretty sure that all fetishes and orientations or whathaveyou (in the end I'm talking about what it is you want to fuck) come from the same place in the end. It deals with the same area I'm guessing even though the origins of the fetish/orientation must be different.
With pedophilia, there is a universally non-subjective agreement that sexually abusing, hurting, or imagining the abuse of children under the age of consent is disgusting, selfish, and unhealthy.
its
kind of subjective...
but yeah i have no idea how you can call it a universally non-subjective agreement because it really isnt.
yeah this
Given that children aren't physically or mentally fully developed to any degree and they're not fit to give consent, pedophilia is fucking terrible.
the end
pedophiles aren't people.
good job having an intelligent discussion guys
I see that what you mean is, the WRONG part of pedophilia is the RAPE part, not the fetish paraphilia in itself, because while raping someone is a conscious choice from the rapist to do something despicable to an unwilling victim, the URGE to do it brought by the unfortunate fetish paraphilia in itself is not a choice, just like how homosexuality or having any kind of sexual fetish paraphilia or preference or taste are not choices. Where there is no choice, there cannot be "right" or "wrong". I understand that.
yes this is what I'm talking about entirely. you make a good point though about the euphemism part...its still a fetish anyway you look at it, the action is just a crime. my issue is calling it a disorder
Man, what? Sexual orientation does not mean the same thing as fetish. Are you serious?
Yeah so sorry to be confusing. I didn't mean accepting it as an orientation my bad.
Ah, so pedophilia isn't a fetish either? I just used the wrong term in the post? What would the right term be? I thought fetish just meant, something someone sees as sexual that isnt typically by most people, not something as specific as "OBJECT OR PART OF BODY"
No my argument is that it IS a fetish.
While I agree that pedophilia is disgusting and wrong and that Bravo you are INSANE . . .
Not all countries have the same age of sexual consent. I have always wondered if countries like France (I think) are filled with pedophiles? Cultural differences on sexuality are pretty interesting I think!
But holy shit wanting to have sex with young boys or underdeveloped girls without boobs etc is pretty gross.
Oh yeah thanks bud.
Here's the thing, in YOUR mind, its gross. I'm sure that you'd find the idea of you yourself having sex with full grown dudes (switch if i'm mistaking your gender or orientation) also really gross. The pedophile? Obviously he does not see having sex with children discusting, it is in fact what turns him on.
Pedophilia in the sense of actually raping kids is not a mental disorder and should not be viewed as such.
wait what?
A ton of paraphilia's are illegal cause a shit ton of them involve non-consenting people (pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, Frotteurism, etc) , the rest because they harm another person (if done non-consensually). There are fetishes that are basically "safe" things of Paraphilia.
So difference is paraphilia is illegal while fetish is legal?
fyi the best thing about this topic so far is the "(Jerry Seinfeld voic" in the title because every time i read it i get to do the jerry seinfeld voice and how can that just not make a man smile.
Yeah clever right?