Topic: you guys never talk about what I like (Read 761 times)

  • Avatar of Shepperd
  • MUSULMAEN
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Apr 23, 2004
  • Posts: 2618
oh I wasn't shouting, I was being EfFuSiVe, quit going out of topic, sir
  • Pip
  • Group: Member
  • Joined: Mar 16, 2004
  • Posts: 188
This isn't punk certainly.  What is it?  Metalcore?  Pop-punk?
  • Avatar of headphonics
  • sea of vodka
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Member
  • Joined: Dec 24, 2003
  • Posts: 6432
post-post-screamcore
  • Avatar of Barack Obama
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Jun 16, 2008
  • Posts: 5244
i know a guy who told me that his favorite genre was "post-industrial hardcore" with a straight face and was not being ironic.

 :putit:
  • Avatar of Blitzen
  • some sort of land-cow
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Sep 25, 2002
  • Posts: 935
I would really like to talk about the actual music, but the reason why I mostly call this punk is because the artists themselves call it punk, and its the simplest label for it. I understand the complexities of the breadth of the genre and sub-genres but I was really hoping to avoid that and wanted talk about the sound of these and like bands instead. I bought Career Suicide today and I really liked it. It definetly gets a bit more loose and dirty than Ruiner, the guys are less afraid to break the scales, explore the rythms of the songs. Its a really fast sound.

BTW I am openen minded and understand the benfits of genre theory but I do not appreciate when I come in politely wanting to talk about my favourite music and am met with pretentious genrefication for the sake of posterity. I was hoping someone would have a something little more insightful to say about the bands than just cussing over genre-labels and replying with "your bands are lame" and not even telling me why they prefer otherwise. Its been very inviting and stimulating thankyou.
Last Edit: August 26, 2008, 03:41:50 am by Blitzen
outerspacepotatoman
  • Avatar of headphonics
  • sea of vodka
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Member
  • Joined: Dec 24, 2003
  • Posts: 6432
i mean, these songs are not very well written, and i have heard the type of vocals in alexisisonwhatever about a bajillion times, so yeah.  it's a pretty recycled genre, whatever you want to call it.  to me it just sounds like random shitty metal with moderately different tones, less technical playing, and uh... a different kind of bad vocals.
Last Edit: August 26, 2008, 03:41:57 am by headphonics
  • Avatar of Shepperd
  • MUSULMAEN
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Apr 23, 2004
  • Posts: 2618
I would really like to talk about the actual music, but the reason why I mostly call this punk is because the artists themselves call it punk
OF COURSE THE "ARTIST" WANTS TO PRETEND THEY ARE PUNK.
They call themselves punk because it SELLS, not because they ACTUALLY are punk.
In the very same way Blink 182 or Green Day call themselves punk when they actually are not AT ALL.

I understand the complexities of the breadth of the genre and sub-genres
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATT
the complexities... man, you are just talking bullshit.
Punk is not complex at all, it is pretty simple state of mind.
In fact, LESSON #1 about punk: PUNK IS NOT A GENRE. It is first an attitude, the punk music genre is derivation from that attitude. Music DOESNT EVEN HAVE TO SOUND PUNK ROCK to be punk.
And why the fuck are you talking about sub-genres? I'm not talking about subgenres and what the fuck.
Punk is very fucking simple, no fucking sub-sub genres or such man.

And sir, there is nothing pretentious in what I'm talking about. THIS IS PART OF HISTORY OF CULTURE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
  • Avatar of blood hell
  • Anti-Social Gamer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Dec 17, 2002
  • Posts: 842
thanks shep. its the reason people like miles davis are punks to me
  • Avatar of Barack Obama
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Jun 16, 2008
  • Posts: 5244
I trolled the shit out of this topic
  • Avatar of Blitzen
  • some sort of land-cow
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Sep 25, 2002
  • Posts: 935
I agree that there is a lot of rehashing of the same stuff out there, but you'll get a lot of that in all punk subgenres, but like I said I think its a really fine line to find the stuff that's more progressive without going into "wall of noise" territory. There is some eclectic and good stuff out there but sometimes it goes song by song rather than band by band. Off this AWS album I just bought, I think that "5 to 9", "The Horse", and "Career Suicide" are more progressive I think, doing new things, like I said its more free flowing, faster and a bit more exploratory than older stuff.

thats very nice shep, i know punk ideology, and what I intended was that I know about the way these bands and songs are classfied from the rest of the wash of what is new rock. I wish you'd stop trying to pick a fight, beleive it or not i'm not interested and want to low-brow and ignorant about it for now because I want to talk about the songs, and maybe find someone else who likes this stuff.
outerspacepotatoman
  • Avatar of Barack Obama
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Jun 16, 2008
  • Posts: 5244
"genre theory"
  • Avatar of Shepperd
  • MUSULMAEN
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Apr 23, 2004
  • Posts: 2618
Oh sorry I read Horse and I thought WOAH the guy said Patti Smith, but then I just realized I got delusional.

And I'm sorry but you write in a way that just tells me you simply don't know what you're talking about. Progressive or wall of noise is not precisely what matters in punk, I mean, that is not what makes a punk song punk.

That the "rest of the wash that is new rock" calls it that way?
asdoaina
who cares about this stupid rock's opinion. Not all new rock is like that. Some rock do know what's real punk so..
Regardless, I'm taking my notes from punk history.
  • Insane teacher
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Oct 8, 2002
  • Posts: 10515
Steel you should give us a post on how one objectively evaluates music and things like that.  I'm not even being sarcastic or anything.  You should do it.

its all subjective, it's just how one side justifies their shit as opposed to the other.

saying BUT I LIKE IT really shouldn't be an argument accepted in any forum outside of mild discourse in real life, let alone a music forum. not that that's what's happening here, but it goes on.
brian chemicals
  • Avatar of crone_lover720
  • PEW PEW PEW
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Mar 25, 2002
  • Posts: 5554
this topic blows!!!

for any given person's personal taste, all that really matters is if the music does anything for you (I Like It). if really bland music with really tired themes is still doin something for you, it just makes you look kinda ignorant or stupid

if you're gonna discuss the importance of some kind of music then yeah you have to look at lots of different stuff. this can get a little annoying around like music elitist fucks who have no idea how to effectively evaluate something and just throw around music blog speak and make up ways to sound objective in their entirely subjective like/dislike of some kind of music. but thankfully i dont think we have anyone like that here.............................anymore
Last Edit: August 26, 2008, 02:32:11 pm by earl chip
  • Avatar of DarkPriest
  • Gamemaker > Rm2k
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Nov 27, 2001
  • Posts: 423
I come in politely wanting to talk about my favourite music and am met with pretentious genrefication for the sake of posterity. I was hoping someone would have a something little more insightful to say about the bands than just cussing over genre-labels and replying with "your bands are lame" and not even telling me why they prefer otherwise. Its been very inviting and stimulating thankyou.

I learned a long time ago that the music forum isn't for discussing your favourite music, it's for dissing everyone elses music tastes. It's also mostly a big circle wank over whatever seems to be popular among the inner circle these days. Oh well!
<Drule> I can play the didgeridoo actually
<Drule> some guy on the street taught me
<Drule> come to think of it
<Drule> it was pretty gross how I played on his didgeridoo

so wrong...
  • Avatar of Sludgelord
  • Who's the boss? Not you, bitch.
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Jan 28, 2004
  • Posts: 5571
this is one of those times where i'm really not sure what to do with a topic. are we making any progress or anything? blitzen likes bad music. it's not punk. people are embarrassing themselves. is anything else going to happen or should i lock it?
Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden
  • Avatar of Blitzen
  • some sort of land-cow
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Sep 25, 2002
  • Posts: 935
Just lock it, doesn't seem anyone else shares my tastes, topic over.
outerspacepotatoman
  • Insane teacher
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Oct 8, 2002
  • Posts: 10515
I learned a long time ago that the music forum isn't for discussing your favourite music, it's for dissing everyone elses music tastes. It's also mostly a big circle wank over whatever seems to be popular among the inner circle these days. Oh well!

hahhaha someone is mad that no one cares about dream theater anymore.

ps yeah discussion about why people like music invariably is more interesting than discussion of the music itself, unless you really get off on theory.
brian chemicals
  • Avatar of Lars
  • Fuck off!
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Member
  • Joined: Apr 7, 2003
  • Posts: 2360
he's speaking the truth tho
  • Avatar of DarkPriest
  • Gamemaker > Rm2k
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Premium Member
  • Joined: Nov 27, 2001
  • Posts: 423
hahhaha someone is mad that no one cares about dream theater anymore.

golden old days :fogetshrug:
<Drule> I can play the didgeridoo actually
<Drule> some guy on the street taught me
<Drule> come to think of it
<Drule> it was pretty gross how I played on his didgeridoo

so wrong...
Locked