nah you're actually very consistent in almost every other topic.  to the point of being predictable, really!


also this

Sorta like the whole "grunge" thing we had going on up here in seattle.

wait, are you making this comparison just because grunge also dealt with mostly introspective/observant shit, or were you comparing grunge to emo as another example of an unnecessary genre?

i knew you were going to say that and was thinking about preempting it for you but i'll be honest: i was more surprised a discussion about emo included shepperd posts that had nothing to do with nitpicking the genre name.

gotta agree there, i came into this topic expecting the exact same thing

the latter.

Grunge was basically a scene that grew around the noisy hard rock independent music scene that weren't a whole lot different from the likes of Husker Du or Dinosaur Jr., but people felt compelled to create a new genre that was pretty much completely meaningless. Kinda like emo, it even had its own fashion too!

This is some high-fidelity music nerd bullshit, but it's just one of those things that I feel I need to shit all over every time I see it because it's fucking retarded.

I'm not sure I think grunge was meaningless, though.  The problem with emo is that it was completely arbitrary and unnecessary.  It was just a silly differentiation and it didn't even represent a particular movement.  I agree that most grunge acts sounded pretty close to stuff like Dinosaur Jr and that if they were just BANDS, there would be no need for grunge as a genre to exist, but it was this huge, city- and ultimately nation-wide movement that got far bigger than its influences ever had been.  I kind of think of grunge as being an acceptable brand because I think once something gets to be that widespread, it's more acceptable to label it than if it is just a few bands doing something.  Like, they could've called it indie rock in the same way their roots were ACTUAL indie rock, but I think classing that entire scene with all of its predecessors on the basis that they were musically very similar would have belied the size and the strength of the movement.

I think the same thing about post-punk, more or less; the large majority of bands in that genre could easily have been called indie rock in the very accurate sense of the term, because there isn't really a single POST-PUNK SOUND or anything, but I think certain genres like grunge/post-punk are based more around a certain event or period or movement than they are the qualities of the music itself.  I'm alright with this!  The problem I have with emo and indie is that emo was too small a difference and too little a movement to really justify considering it separately from hardcore or whatever, and indie isn't ANYTHING.  It's not a movement, it's just a catch-all term for anything even remotely sub-mainstream.

Well, they sounded different, but I think you could still more or less accurately call something like that ALT ROCK or just HARD ROCK or something.  There wasn't anything that separated most grunge band from at least one or two other genres, in my opinion, besides the fact that they belonged to the grunge rock movement.

Yeah I agree, it kind of depends on what's going on in those other scenes at the time.  Like, Nirvana could technically be ALT ROCK I suppose if you just listened to it, because it is clearly rock-based and it is clearly kind of ALT to the mainstream conception of what rock is.  But then you realize that what is generally accepted as alt rock at the time is PAVEMENT and SHERYL CROW and you're like whelp, can't call it alt rock!

did you copy that from allmusic or is that supposed to be a joke or something???

oh sorry, i thought you were being serious because i did not really get THE JOKE unless it was to come off like kind of a musicdouche!  c....carry on...

I think it's useful insofar as finding out a band's history, members, discography, and other FACTS.  I think the reviews are pretty much worthless, though, because it seems like they just pull them from random other sites and sometimes you get a good one by a guy who clearly knows what he is talking about, and other times you get one by a chump saying Paris Hilton's album is good.  Also, their IF YOU LIKE THIS BAND, YOU MIGHT LIKE... blows and sometimes I have no idea how they connect bands with one another.  Like Sonic Youth?  Then maybe you will like: Creed.