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Hahaha that's the worst when you have teammates that utterly suck... That's why I hate playing by myself, only when people like Farm or Neo are on :P
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I just beat the game and I was really expecting more from the last level. A final boss could have been cool, but instead you just fight multiple tanks between hordes of zombies. What's with the lack of closure, too? I know the game isn't finished by any means, but a real cutscene would have been appreciated.

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It's a multiplayer focused game, a real cutscene would get boring and repetitive after enough times.
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I just beat the game and I was really expecting more from the last level. A final boss could have been cool, but instead you just fight multiple tanks between hordes of zombies. What's with the lack of closure, too? I know the game isn't finished by any means, but a real cutscene would have been appreciated.
They did have cutscenes while the game was in development. For example the last level of No Mercy, the scene would show the pilot becoming an infected, which would have lead the survivors to the next campaign. That was the original idea, but testers got bored of watching the scene over and over again, and it was scrapped along with the storyline being continued from the last campaign.

Versus is far more fun than the campaigns now, as long as you can get decent competition.
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It's a multiplayer focused game, a real cutscene would get boring and repetitive after enough times.

No one said anything about being forced to watch them every time, you could always skip them or maybe Valve could have included an option to disable cutscenes altogether or just in co-op campaign. At least keep them in single player mode, there's no real excuse not to have them in there, even if game testers got tired of watching the scenes numerous times. That's a pretty bad excuse honestly, beta testers have to put up with that shit all the time so they should be used to it if they're in that line of work.

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Who plays single player. The game is so horrible on single player.

If you had cutscenes for single player it wouldn't make sense. You're playing the game for a multiplayer experience, but you have to play single player to watch the cutscene? That would be weird. This game isn't designed to be played like a single player game,  that is why there are no cutscenes and the story is learned through the writings on the wall and how each of the 4 survivors interact with each other.

Seriously no multiplayer game ever has cutscenes. And those that do are called single player games with co-op.
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Yeah, you should seriously just listen to the dev commentary in game. Also if you do a bit of digging you can find the sound file for the scene where the pilot gets infected. It kinda doesn't make sense because the survivors would have to survive a helicopter crash without so much as a scratch.
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That IS what beta players do. Give input on what they see. They're gamers like you or me. Just because they've seen lots of cutscenes in lots of other games doesn't make them anymore numb to them. They know the difference between when they're seeing something too much because they're beta testers, and when they're seeing something too much as regular gamers.

I'm glad valve didn't waste their time fully hashing out each cutscene, just to have it be constantly skipped after only the first time or so, especially if it game them time to work on any OTHER aspect of the game. Hell, I've wanted to skip the short endings of the rescue vehicles driving away at times.

Complaining about lack of closure in a multiplayer focused game does not seem valid to me.
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Its not about the story, though its backstory is interesting enough to read into (via the wall scribbles). Chicago Ted is the newest internet cliche.

All you really get is the introduction cutscene, which sort of acts as a mini tutorial.

1 - Leave witches alone
2 - Close Doors
3 - Hit your ally to free them from smokers
4 - Dont run off alone like a jack off (louis)
5 - Gang up on tanks

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You're playing the game for a multiplayer experience, but you have to play single player to watch the cutscene? That would be weird

I only suggested that since everyone here says it would get annoying in multiplayer mode (which it would), so at least have it in single player if there's no other incentive to play it because of it being "horrible". I seriously don't see why it's such a big deal, I realize it's a multiplayer-focused game, but some closure or cliffhanger other than military vehicle drives off over the hill would have been rewarding.

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That IS what beta players do. Give input on what they see. They're gamers like you or me. Just because they've seen lots of cutscenes in lots of other games doesn't make them anymore numb to them

I didn't say that, I said if they were watching a scene numerous times due to testing one particular part over and over again - naturally they'd get a little more than pissed off at the repetition. Beta testers have long days and sometimes they're forced to play particular parts so many times that they're on the brink of breaking something. I think you're giving them too much credit if you think they'd be able to distinguish between scenes that got annoying as a "gamer" and ones that are only annoying due to constant testing.

Anyway, I will check out this dev commentary if I can find it.
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Thats pretty insultive if you think game testers would call something repetitive just because THEY are forced to do/watch it repetitively, which they obviously understand is abnormal.
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Its not about the story, though its backstory is interesting enough to read into (via the wall scribbles). Chicago Ted is the newest internet cliche.

All you really get is the introduction cutscene, which sort of acts as a mini tutorial.

1 - Leave witches alone
2 - Close Doors
3 - Hit your ally to free them from smokers
4 - Dont run off alone like a jack off (louis)
5 - Gang up on tanks



6 - Get raped by tanks, they are invincible to everything except falling fire escapes.
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We played No Mercy on expert yesterday for like 2 hours and fuck it was hard because we had 3 guys and 1 bot, it was me and esh and some random guy (grats to him though, he stayed through the whole ordeal while 98% of thel4d faggots leave when someone dies). Then we got DrChronic and it went a lot more smoothly then because he talks a lot and we were just typing shit so it was a lot easier to coordinate. We failed a lot still since the director never gave us tier2 weapons.

Also I noticed that the director doesn't really do shit. There were always those same scripted hordes at the same points and the placing of tanks and witches seems random because we were doing horribly throughout the 2 hours and still tanks spawned left and right and there was no shortage of witches either.

The highlight of the game for me was when I shot a Tank down the building with a propane tank, then we finally got to the finale and the server crashed so thanks for this faggits!!!!


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Also expert is like a different game because you can't ignore common infected anymore and you have to unload your tier1 weapons into them to kill them off and even with melee it takes like 6 hits. There's always a few of thos surprise zombies who sneak up on you and then you fall to the ground from 1 hit and it's like OH COME ON. It also feels that you never get the smoker in time to free yourself in expert, there's so many times I was pulled down from the roof part in no mercy 3 and had to go to the lift again.
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Ah so you're Dr. Kleiner :P

Ya that game was intense lol, I was the only with with a tier 2 weapon for like 15 restarts? I don't even know how I got it haha. But ya that little propane tank explosion was very nice haha he just fell right off the edge :D
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Enough said really.
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I'm still LOLing.
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I don't understand what's going on in that pic.
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Bill is incapacitated due to hanging off of a 'ledge'. The ledge in question is a rock barely 2 metres tall, and he's so low down his feet are actually touching the floor.

It happened from me hitting him into it as a Tank. Don't ask how, I couldn't replicate that again
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Haha that's jokes :P
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4 hour no mercy expert run: success
5 hour death toll expert run: success

death toll without closet camping, take that you faggots (although I suggested it the 25th time we did the finale but then I decided not to because it's just gay).