I remember watching this documentary where this guy infiltrated this british underground slave ring where they would bring in immigrants from other countries and force them into prositution and things. they filmed this man forcing a woman to give him head and she was crying and choking and then he punched her in the face and pushed her head into the toilet until she was almost unconscious. Things like this are the reason I personally think prostitution should be legal. The more illegal it becomes, the more it is forced into the shady underworld and the less protection these women can get. I've heard about places where it is legal where there are perfectly legitimate prostitution business, the women do it by choice, they get paid a very decent wage, they are protected and aren't forced to do things that they aren't comfortable doing. This shows to me that ideally the best way is to legalize it because it's a case of FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER. If you hide it away behind closed doors the problem is only going to get worse.

the problem is, though, if prostitution is legalized, a lot of the stuff you mentioned will not be allowed. inri posted a study about a brothel requiring condom use.

buuuuut unlike abortion, where if made illegal women will still seek them out and it becomes dangerous, many people do use prostitutes in order to fulfill some kind of shady sexual appetites. it can be something as mundane (but still unsafe) as not wearing a condom to donkey punches to rape fantasies and all sorts of shit. this isn't a small number of people either, most prostitutes encounter at least one john who threatens them and many are just raped. if you legalize prostitution, you don't necessarily remove the market for underground prostitution; it just becomes more underground.

legalization protects women to a degree, of course, and it keeps them from being thrown in fucking jail all the time for basically trying to survive. but it won't cut down on violence towards prostitutes; safe johns will meet safe women, but dangerous johns will meet women on the street who can't get into a ranch (let's not forget that in the US legalization does not mean nationalization so if you happen to be a black prostitute but they've already got three sorry sister not good for business) or who might have other things keeping them on the street (such as disease), and the problem will still exist and the whole sexual exploitation issue will be ignored in favor of pundits arguing about MONEY FOR SEX???

man not that i doubt that but what kind of conclusion is MAY BE AT GREATER RISK FROM LOVERS. what? why did they pull this out of their ass? not one part of what they described said anything about the prostitute's non client partners.

That's just the abstract. The complete article says how like 100% of them used condoms with clients but only 18% used them with "lovers" which is how they concluded that

http://www.ajph.org/cgi/reprint/88/4/643?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&volume=88&firstpage=643&resourcetype=HWCIT

taking advantage of the situation of a woman who feels she has to commodify her body as a sexual object to make a living.

Do you know what sounds just like that?? Marriage.

And you could also say what kaworu said (women using their sexualiy to get money from men. And it also applies to marriage).

And prostitution is not exclusive to women either.

I just don't believe that legaliztion will suddenly make all the ugliness go away. Like steel said, legalization is not equal to nationalization. Sure there'd be 'safe' brothels, but it won't make sex trafficking go away... It may even make bringing women into the country as sexual indentured servants even more lucrative.

Of course it won't but keeping it illegal is not helping either. It's not making the lives of those who don't want to do it but do it because there is no other option any easier.

prostitution is probably a pretty bad venture but cracking down on it will make it worse. I am sure prostitutes are choosing their job from mcjob #123457 because they would rather do that because it pays better. Similarly, there are prostitutes like the ones that politicians bang that are filthy rich, atleast compared to most of us folks. THe issue here is not prostitution, but why some women have to actually resort to this in the first place.

i always saw prostitution as a pretty awful job but still a job. I.e. i dont make moral judgements about prostitutes because rallying against sexual promiscuity is not a moral priority of mine. It is just kinda bad if you have to suck dicks for a job and being afraid of getting an STD, getting murdered, or raped.

that's true, I don't support blaming them for their circumstance and putting them in jail. I just don't think that its something a sane society should tolerate and take issue with people who seem to think its just fine and legality would make it safe and fun for everyone.

Why shouldnt a society tolerate it? If a woman has to resort to prostitution is probably because she doesnt thinks there is a better alternativel. prostitution is just going to end when there is a better alternative, otherwise it should just be treated as a symptom.

that's true, I don't support blaming them for their circumstance and putting them in jail. I just don't think that its something a sane society should tolerate and take issue with people who seem to think its just fine and legality would make it safe and fun for everyone.

Ok so is it any worse than abortion for example?

Marmot it's not going to end it exists since humanity started and will continue to exist in one form or another (ex: marrying a rich old man)

Marmot it's not going to end it exists since humanity started and will continue to exist in one form or another (ex: marrying a rich old man)

I think there is a possibility it is going to end. I think we will later be forced to choose between a sane society or the possibility of extinction.

What do you mean by that? Abortion is a safe medical procedure that in no way involves exploitation.

Hahahahhahahah I hope you're kidding! Well, although it does depend on what stage the pregnancy is, it's really weird to see someone who is pro-abortion being against something benign like prostitution.

If a woman (for example) rents herself for a certain amount of money for an hour because she wants to, where is the exploitation in that?

How is that any different from getting paid to mow someone's lawn or any other profession?

I think because mowing a lawn or doing any menial job is quite a different beast from selling your body.

Also I think maybe some of you have kind of a different image of what prostitution is in the real world. It can be pretty fuckin gritty man. I dont have any specific things to back up what I'm saying but I think its a bit of a dirtier reality than what you are imagining.

I think because mowing a lawn or doing any menial job is quite a different beast from selling your body.

Q: How is it different
A: It's because it's different

Also I think maybe some of you have kind of a different image of what prostitution is in the real world. It can be pretty fuckin gritty man. I dont have any specific things to back up what I'm saying but I think its a bit of a dirtier reality than what you are imagining.

Lawn mowing can also be quite dangerous

Q: How is it different
A: It's because it's different

have you considered the reason people aren't justifying how lawn mowing is different from prostitution because it's pretty fucking obvious and you're doing that stupid shit you do in every topic where you pick up on the slightest thing that isn't fully elaborated and harp on it instead of acknowledging that prostitution and law mowing is different and for some odd reason no one ever warns you for trolling.

I don't really see a point in continuing this discussion with you if you really can't see the difference between the two.

The essence is the same, you could say that "you're selling yourself as an object to mow lawn/lay bricks/pleasure ugly old men" about anything