watch out chaim! that raghead almost spit on you. drown his entire extended family.

truth and flowerpower are morons.

also moslem is a really common term for muslim here, like it's nearly 50/50 split on how it's used. I'd never noticed it before until a few years ago when Faust and Lars talked about MOSLEMS and thought, hmm what a strange spelling...

Israel' really gross and shit, the death toll is nearly 300 and it's become painfully obvious that ground invasion was the plan all along with the troop buildup by the border, and the cll for reserves a couple'a days ago.
It's stupid and disproportionate force, like beheading someone for stealing your pokemon card kinda shit. Also hmm every country other than the US has condemed Israel's attacks (on their own or alongside hamas')

Can someone please give me a well constructed, unbiased (as much as possible (that means no doktormartini)) as to why Israel is completely in the wrong here (or in general)?

in retaliation to 300 rockets of unknown strength so anything from a grenade launcher to a ballistic missile that killed a single person so you know it's not just OH NO ROCKETS WE'RE SCARED because really now one person, Israel killed over 300 people. how much more unbiased can you get? this is 300 eyes for one eye. there's no justification for that and you can keep griping about gw's liberalism and how palestinians would do the same, it doesn't change the reality of the situation, Israel killed over 300 people in a few hours for the death of ONE.

christ dude you cannot seriously be arguing this. some of the dead were students.

WELL YOU KNOW IF THE BLACK GUYS HAD ROCKET LAUNCHERS DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED WHITE PEOPLE ERGO FIREHOSING CHILDREN IS OKAY.

Can someone please give me a well constructed, unbiased (as much as possible (that means no doktormartini)) as to why Israel is completely in the wrong here (or in general)? I don't want derogatory comments or truth yelling that IM A MONSTER THINK OF THE PEOPLEEEEEE, just a fair argument.

On top of what Steel said:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/28/gaza.humanitarian/index.html

Gunness, a spokesman for the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA), said the agency has been unable to get needed medical supplies into Gaza for more than a year, because of Israel's blockade of border crossings.

"We have a good working relationship with Israelis on the ground," he said. "But at the political level, it seems that there is some kind of determination that there should be no development, there should be no prosperity inside Gaza."

Almost half a million Palestinians live in U.N. refugee camps in Gaza alone.

Socio-economic conditions in the camps are generally poor with a high population density, cramped living conditions and inadequate basic infrastructure such as roads and sewers.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/palestinianterritories

Patients live in exposed and insecure conditions such as refugee camps or areas where they are subject to frequent incursions, often close to checkpoints and Israeli settlements. People suffer from depression, anxiety, posttraumatic disorder and psychosomatic troubles. They are burdened with symptoms such as disrupted sleep, flashbacks and nightmares.

Travel is difficult due to closures and restrictions, so consultations and therapy are often provided through home visits. A total of 4,617 consultations (1,284 in Hebron, 1,851 in Nablus and 1,482 in Gaza) were provided in 2007. Almost half (42 per cent) of patients were under 12 years old.

Israel limits passage into Gaza to basic food and medicine and the number of medical referrals abroad is decreasing. Fuel and electricity supplies have been reduced in an attempt to pressure the Hamas regime, which the Israeli cabinet officially labeled a ‘hostile entity’ in September.

Targeted air strikes and limited incursions from the Israeli side ostensibly aim to limit the rocket fire but inevitably lead to civilian casualties.

I'll admit that some of the problems of the Palestinian people are a result of poor governance by groups that often seem more interested in "stirring the pot" than helping the Palestinian cause. That said, limiting the importation of things such as medical supplies, and electricity is punishing all Palestinians for the actions of a few. Israel is just as guilty of escalation as Hamas is, and often times goes above and beyond reasonable and proportional reactions (see: killing >300 people when a single Israeli was killed).

But hey, you've already made up your mind, and the UN, and Doctors Without Borders are just part of the LIBERAL agenda to destroy Israel, right?

So why doesn't israel bomb the west bank anymore???

ISRAEL WHY U BOMBING THE PALESTINIANS? do you realise that this is not any better than israel other than israel has far better accuracy and precision? this basically means that every hour or so, guess what, even israelis have to cower and fear from palestinian rocket attacks! looks like both sides suck!!



Can someone please give me a well constructed, unbiased (as much as possible (that means no doktormartini)) as to why Israel is completely in the wrong here (or in general)? I don't want derogatory comments or truth yelling that IM A MONSTER THINK OF THE PEOPLEEEEEE, just a fair argument.

Not stupid comments like:

Maybe it's because a people who lived in a place for over 2,000 years were attacked and forced into ghettos by "terrorists" (i mean... freedom fighters) with planes supplied by america. These people were kicked out of their second holiest city, had the entirety of the country other than the gaza strip/west bank and small areas in the north. They then have their houses bulldozed in the places they do own and settlers take their land. They are eventually confined to even more ghettos in two parts of the country that Israel essentially shuts off from the rest of the world. Any attempts at resistance or electing the "wrong" people in their "elections" (which have no effect on the policies of israel).Food is scarce if you have any at all, you live in darkness for sometimes weeks at a time because israel takes away your power. At some point the technological differences between where you live, and the weapons you have, and where the israelis live and the (US supplied) weapons they have become so great that there is nothing you can do to fight back in a significant way. Your family is hungry, your grandmother is dying because she can't get the medication she needs to fight off the common cold, you're treated like animals by the IDF who refuse you entry into your holy city.

What do you expect a people to do but fight back in the only way they can (rocket attacks). Your friends are dying of hunger and preventable disease, the water they drink has sewage running through it because there is no such thing as public works in the west bank. The American revolutionaries are known as heroes for rebelling against taxation without representation, Hamas is known as terrorists for rebelling against genocide and yet hamas are terrorists.

Maybe if the palestinians were granted civil rights, the ability to have food and electricity and their land back (lol), maybe rockets wouldn't rain down on a people who are committing acts of apartheid and genocide.

But yes maybe the palestinians should stop fighting back and just make nice with the israelis, no more bombings! It's okay that they are living in the direst poverty but hey.... no more bombings. Nobody should advocate any kind of slave mindset, if you do you're a moron.

i never said it wasn't BAD, but if the palestinians had the chance to they would definitely kill as many israelis as possible. once again, there were also over three hundred rockets fired in the past week -- this leaves israelis that live in the area cowering in fear while they stay home all day under the fire of rockets!!! you guys seem to be ignoring this point. yes, 300 people dead is terribly awful, but I believe 15 of those were civilians, the rest were targeted militants (you can correct me on this if it's wrong). but seriously, can you, or anyone else, please type what I asked please? this place is seriously reaking of incredible LIBERAL BIAS and this topic has gone what, 2-3 pages with ISRAEL SUX, i do believe this topic needs at least some opposition!!!

ps, thank you kaworu.

never post here again

Maybe it's because a people who lived in a place for over 2,000 years were attacked and forced into ghettos by "terrorists" (i mean... freedom fighters) with planes supplied by america. These people were kicked out of their second holiest city, had the entirety of the country other than the gaza strip/west bank and small areas in the north. They then have their houses bulldozed in the places they do own and settlers take their land. They are eventually confined to even more ghettos in two parts of the country that Israel essentially shuts off from the rest of the world. Any attempts at resistance or electing the "wrong" people in their "elections" (which have no effect on the policies of israel).Food is scarce if you have any at all, you live in darkness for sometimes weeks at a time because israel takes away your power. At some point the technological differences between where you live, and the weapons you have, and where the israelis live and the (US supplied) weapons they have become so great that there is nothing you can do to fight back in a significant way. Your family is hungry, your grandmother is dying because she can't get the medication she needs to fight off the common cold, you're treated like animals by the IDF who refuse you entry into your holy city.

Strangely sounds like how America was created.

yeah i wrote that in some angry rage and completely didn't finish 2-3 sentences

Early Monday, an Israeli jet bombed the Islamic University of Gaza, a journalist who witnessed the attack told CNN. There were no immediate reports of casualties from that strike.

Jesus Christ. I'm behind on my knowledge of the area, but jesus. They bombed a university in retaliation of this shit.

"No, no guys. It's not a civilian target; it's a terrorist training facility."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79727&sectionid=351020202
US Vetoes UN Resolution against Israel

Also, Saudi Arabia ordered 3 plane loads of medical aid to Gaza.

If someone wanted my country to stop existing and employed suicide bombers and other terrorist tactics against me I'd bomb their universities too if I could.

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PS Israel should stop that but hamas isn't helping either

They kill even other palestines because of their political opinions

http://www.imemc.org/article/57947

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870548.html

If someone wanted my country to stop existing and employed suicide bombers and other terrorist tactics against me I'd bomb their universities too if I could.

Your country isn't brutally occupying another land like Truth said.  If I lived in Gaza I would probably not want Israel to exist either after what they've done/been doing.

I think we should westernize their culture.

That culture is the source of all their problems. As someone here said before, they've had this feud for thousands of years, pure and simple. This feud is perpetuated by their violent culture and constant conflict. If they were less responsive to the culture, then they will be less inclined to fight. Just imagine if each one of them was a fatass, ideologically apathetic American. No grand values to fight for there. Nothing to die for. Because Western culture tends to destroy other countries' traditions, if we were to destroy theirs, less people would die. This is the PERFECT SOLUTION!

I propose that we translate Ayn Rand to Hebrew, and drop copies of "Atlas Shrugged" and the "Fountainhead" over Israel and Gaza. That'll teach 'em.

no it has been going on since the late 1800's not thousands of years.

america should privatize gaza strip and leave everything to the whim of the market

*inricheetos*

EDIT: That was a jokepost by the way, don't ban me.

I was gonna fuckin say!