News Israel attacks UN Aid convoy with a tank, bombs UN aid shelter Gaza deathtoll up to close to 600 (Read 18032 times)

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good points you raised here. very unique perspective.
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Topic's over guys. According to some workers unions around Quebec, it's all Bush and Harper's fault.
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it's ok truth. he's an injured Israeli soldier in a hospital bed in Gaza on a laptop with wireless. the connection is kinda spotty especially when the dust from the bombings of nearby buildings gets inside and in between all of the power failures. he might not answer for a while

yeah he's had the same IP for 4 years and he's 19

i guess if they're conscripting 15 year olds it could explain the high numbers of dead children
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BIG you said they don't ever intentionally kill civilians but i guess some do?
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Why is Dok even allowed to post in this topic.
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because he is largely right this time?
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seriously look what you've done truth. even ryan is saying dumb shit like I DONT SUPPORT HAMAS BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD because you've convinced people with your idiotic zeal for ANYTHING THAT IS REMOTELY EMOTIONAL that condemning Israel means you must also support Hamas instead of just having a great deal more understanding for Hamas and more condemnation for Israel and now fake Israeli soldiers are posting examples where no one even gets hurt and people are asking you to justify it because you're the only one stupid enough to do this instead of dismissing it. now I'm the only one other than Dietcoke who isn't going to post here that actually feels SOMEWHAT INDIGNANT about the issue and everyone else is stuck in some bullshit libertarian THE REAL WAY IS IN THE MIDDLE crap instead of realizing that when you're facing a country that kills children regularly, has several groups working to insult and degrade you while uplifting them, has all the power, and has forced Palestine in fifty short years from all of the country into basically a fucking landing strip that they are currently invading, a little religious intoleration and violence is somewhat understandable. instead you want to say it's all JUSTIFIABLE and not only is GW not a smart enough place to contemplate external factors to this degree but you aren't a smart enough guy to pull it off!

basically lock this topic you're all awful monsters, if you support Israel in this crisis, set yourself on fire.

I don't know I think that you're arguing that it is some sort of character flaw to be indignant about things. You're basically saying that if you are really indignant about this that it is not worth posting that either ignoring it or trolling the topic are better ideas? I don't really get this, I think that you are essentially angry with me for being angry about something very terrible and being vocal about it. I have sourced every argument i've made, you've somehow thought that I was agreeing with that post even though I wasn't, and you are acting as if I cannot support Hamas even if they themselves have done some bad things.

I support a lot of regimes who have done bad things in place of much worse ones. I support the Iraqi resistance against the US Army, I support FARC against Columbia and the IRA against Great Britain. Can I attempt to defend everything these groups do? Of course not, but they are fighting against imperialist aggressors who are much worse. Sometimes in these kind of conflicts you have to support some groups on idealistic grounds that have done some bad things in their fight. I honestly think that not supporting these groups is apathetic at best and counter-revolutionary at worst (prepared to be made fun of by ryan i don't care). I defend Hamas in this topic not because they are angels, but because I think the contention that they are working against the best interests of the Palestinian people is complete horseshit.
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and once again we're back to second fucking grade. IF ONE PERSON IS BAD.

IT'S OKAY TO KILL CHILDREN.

you people are so dumb I am amazed that when presented with soup your brain can figure out not to send the broth into your lungs basically you would all drown in soup I am saying I am amazed you can figure out how to eat food as that involves complex muscle reaction, taste (none of you have this anyways), and multiple senses, whereas figuring out there's no justification for killing a lot of children who did nothing and bombing a UN camp takes about two neurons firing to figure out.

A) OMG I never said it was ok to kill children I am not that fucking stupid you asshole! I am not defending the acts of the israel army and I think that they are pretty awful but like Marcus said, this is a fight between two assholes and civilians are fucking dying in the middle of this so shit no I am a total idiot that does not understand some basic principles of human decency. If both sides didn't think with their guns instead of their freaking brain in that stupid cock showing contest for superiority over a fucking piece of desert (I know it's important and all for them but shit) maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't have what, 14 pages total of people calling each others name because they think slightly different but kind of all agrees that this whole shit is wrong! Nobody agrees with the death of innocents and children, on both side of their stupid border fights, even those that drown in their own soup. I am just trying to get into Truth's thick brain that this issue is not black and white. Maybe get a little spark between two neurons in his brain. IT'S NEVER FUCKING BLACK AND WHITE!! Only shades of ugly grey.

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like it astonishes me that you are still the same stupid motherfucker you've been for years.

I kinda got used to you calling me every damn synonym of the word idiot (SK posted something stupid! Lemme check my thesaurus.) but for some weird reason that one got me a little deeper. Maybe it's because of some shit happening in my life that makes me a bit sensible, maybe I am a pussy, maybe it's because it's 4 in the morning and I got from work. I normally wouldn't care for what a guy on the internet tells me (I didn't for the last 6 years) because I could take a step back in the "real" world and feel better because my friends and my family say I am a smart, nice and generous guy. Maybe they were wrong. But hey, I'm just throwing it out here to vent out a bit. Maybe I should not. Just saying how I'm feeling.

So yeah, feel free to shred this post apart with massive quoting.

But remember kids, don't post at 4 in the morning with a lack of sleep and heavy depression, makes very bad posts.



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I support a lot of regimes who have done bad things in place of much worse ones. I support the Iraqi resistance against the US Army, I support FARC against Columbia and the IRA against Great Britain. Can I attempt to defend everything these groups do? Of course not, but they are fighting against imperialist aggressors who are much worse.

Does that mean you would support the separatist movement in Quebec ?
Totally off topic but could be interesting to see what he says.
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I love how in this topic

I have been warned by three different mods, once for one post and twice for another (first a verbal, which was retracted, and then several days later a major warn for it out of the blue, 5 pages away from actual discussion). these forums are starting to turn into king of the hill. any time someone has a leftist or relativist view point they get mocked and laughed at. allah akbar free palestine. laugh at me for being so silly

oh and go ahead and warn me again. its a good feeling to come home to know that you pissed someone off when you were trying to get their goat in the first place
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How about we change things up a bit until someone comes and rattles everyone up again.

If you were to protest about the current events in Gaza, what would your sign read?

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actually the left despises racism and the reality of pain

also in case nobody knows truth's past he's a single issue voter. he wants hamas in power of the region because he hates gay people and women
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If only Hamas would stop firing rockets then IDF could go ahead and stop indiscriminately killing Palestinian children...
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any time someone has a leftist view point they get mocked and laughed at.

maybe you should read the first topic again, the first howmanyever pages were leftist viewpoints and anyone who said anything got mocked/laughed at :/
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This topic isn't about you guys though and there just seems to be a real tendency for people to personalize shit here. WC got warns, Shadow Kirby's got problems and is posting at 4am? FlowerPower was mocked/laughed at. I don't mind off topic conversation but nobody cares about that shit! Half this page has been about the topic and not the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and the "WHY IS DOC POSTING" "BECAUSE HE IS MOSTLY RIGHT" has been said countless times. Is any of it actually needed? No, and it's really dumb

The thing with Israel is there is sizable support from the population for withdrawals from the territories and granting autonomy to Palestine. However, regardless off how much support there is for this (both within the country and from American Jewry who can have a pretty big impact on Israeli affairs actually) the party that has dominated in recent history (Likud/Kadima) is very militaristic and have recently sided with the Ultra-orthodox parties/groups.  These religious groups and leaders control a good deal of power, though they typically are only the 3rd biggest in votes (a surprising amount of Israel is secular and a vast majority fall somewhere in the middle). And while this has historically forced them to be a coalition partner to whichever other party was the big winner, their politics (especially on the territories and Gaza) is very much in line with Kadima/Likud (Kadima is former Likud members with some Shas and Labour and one other I can't remember but their roots are in the Likud primarily). Add into all of this that there is one thing that unites almost all Israelis (well Israeli Jews at least), and that's the idea of an external threat.

So with the upcoming elections and Hamas being active (as minor or significant as that activity may be) it really benefits those that already are in power. Even if Hamas is only shooting sugar missiles, it's very easy to get support from those who would normally shrug and just say "leave them alone". Who do you think will be the biggest winner out of all of this? The hardliner, militaristic, Zionists who have the religious parties support (it has to do with the Ultra-Orthodox idea of the land as god given, and therefore certain areas must be made part of Israel I think (this is something I do not know as much about and may be missing something)).

Some of those things may have been left a little unclear (garbage post) but the main point is I think Israel has not only considerably overreacted (kill... all of them *spits*) but has done so because parties in control WILL benefit. That said, I think they were banking on U.S. support. Even though elections will probably go their way, Israeli leaders severely miscalculated what they were doing. The incredibly high death toll is out of hand and will come back to haunt the whole country.
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I support a lot of regimes who have done bad things in place of much worse ones. I support the Iraqi resistance against the US Army, I support FARC against Columbia and the IRA against Great Britain. Can I attempt to defend everything these groups do? Of course not, but they are fighting against imperialist aggressors who are much worse. Sometimes in these kind of conflicts you have to support some groups on idealistic grounds that have done some bad things in their fight. I honestly think that not supporting these groups is apathetic at best and counter-revolutionary at worst (prepared to be made fun of by ryan i don't care). I defend Hamas in this topic not because they are angels, but because I think the contention that they are working against the best interests of the Palestinian people is complete horseshit.

They are terrorists. Do you support al qaeda as well because they are fighting the terrible imperialist america because guess what it comes down to the same thing. There is a right and a wrong way of doing things.

And yes they are working against the best interests of the Palestinian people because like it or not Israel is not just going to go away overnight or be brought down by some home made rockets. Every day Hamas spends pouring its money into goading Israel like it has been is just another extension of the same shitty situation that has covered this place forever. And let me be clear I am by no means justifying or supporting Israel before I get branded a MONSTEROUS TERRIBLE PERSON or whatever, they are a fucking disgrace for so many reasons, but at some point you have to realise how terrible your opponent is and how he'll react to you pissing on his shoes. So sorry but if Hamas really had Palestine's best interests at heart they would not spend their money on rocketing Israel and bringing about the same situation that has happened TIME AND TIME again.

Theres no question Israel is badly in the wrong here. They set up that ridiculous blockade when Gaza didn't elect who it wanted and their current actions are just a massacre that will only result in Hamas getting stronger as anti Israel sentiment rises, I just find it fucking stupid supporting Hamas because you are just supporting more violence more insurgency and ultimately more horrific situations like this. Call them freedom fighters all you want in the end they are fucking stupid assholes who will only ever ensure that this situation repeats itself ad infinitum. Terrorism is just not the answer, peace in this region will only ever come about when both sides actually want it and Hamas blatantly only want to destroy Israel ergo supporting them is tantamount to saying YES MORE MORE C'MON.


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I love how in this topic

I have been warned by three different mods, once for one post and twice for another (first a verbal, which was retracted, and then several days later a major warn for it out of the blue, 5 pages away from actual discussion). these forums are starting to turn into king of the hill. any time someone has a leftist or relativist view point they get mocked and laughed at. allah akbar free palestine. laugh at me for being so silly

oh and go ahead and warn me again. its a good feeling to come home to know that you pissed someone off when you were trying to get their goat in the first place
whoa you mean i removed a hilarious verbal warn for legitimate bigotry and replaced it with a real one once i realized he only gave you a verbal?  get out of town!!!  the funny part is you are full of shit and even admitted it later on and everyone else has observed this as well, so i do not really understand how on any level you expected to be like JEWS.... FUCK EM and get away with it.  ryan just gave you a simple verbal warn and removed it because idk it's what he does for posting those dumb images, but the other two warns are in direct relation to you making a blatantly antisemitic posts that afura probably only gave you a verbal warn for because he did not want to seem incredibly biased, because really it was worth at least one major, which is what you got as a replacement.  i'm sooooooooo conservative!!!
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even ryan is saying dumb shit like I DONT SUPPORT HAMAS BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD because you've convinced people with your idiotic zeal for ANYTHING THAT IS REMOTELY EMOTIONAL that condemning Israel means you must also support Hamas instead of just having a great deal more understanding for Hamas and more condemnation for Israel and now fake Israeli soldiers are posting examples where no one even gets hurt and people are asking you to justify it because you're the only one stupid enough to do this instead of dismissing it.

i don't support hamas because they do pretty horrible shit. i'm not using that as an excuse to justify what israel is doing, they do horrible shit too. (and on a much larger scale, and much more frequently) i basically agree with what you're saying, i just don't think hamas is the best way to actively struggle against israel.

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I love how in this topic

I have been warned by three different mods, once for one post and twice for another (first a verbal, which was retracted, and then several days later a major warn for it out of the blue, 5 pages away from actual discussion). these forums are starting to turn into king of the hill. any time someone has a leftist or relativist view point they get mocked and laughed at. allah akbar free palestine. laugh at me for being so silly

oh and go ahead and warn me again. its a good feeling to come home to know that you pissed someone off when you were trying to get their goat in the first place

you've got to be kidding me. you posted two pages of SHOCK IMAGES OF DEAD BABIES AND MUTILATED BODIES. i warned you, then edited them all to be hidden, then you go back and UNEDIT THEM. instead of WARNING/BANNING YOU I just talked to you on irc, you re-edited them back to being hidden and i removed the warn.

the reason people get pissed off at you is you have a habit of posting real juvenile/stereotypical/racist shit. remember that time you argued for eugenics?? or that time you said all jews had a persecution complex???
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good coverage. great perspective.

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/11/iran.israel.nuclear/index.html

Quote from: Report: U.S. rejected Israeli plea to attack Iran
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush rejected several Israeli requests last year for weapons and permission for a potential airstrike inside Iran, the author of an investigative report told CNN.
Israel approached the White House in early 2008 with three requests for an attack on Iran's main nuclear complex, said New York Times reporter David Sanger. His article appears in the newspaper on Sunday.
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my point is other than truth "hero" douglas no one actively supports hamas but if you were going to pick sides they are so fucking clearly the lesser evil and when it comes to proportional responses the fact that they can't even kill this many Israelis is indicative that no it is not okay to keep saying BOTH SIDES ARE BAD when one side is right now killin folks and the other side is launching sugar rockets.

edit: basically if truth wasn't around we wouldn't have to add stupid justifications that anyone who is not thick as shit would have realized but because of him anyone anti-Israel has to put in a "hamas is also bad" because truth is so dumb he supports hamas instead of just attacking israel and also some people have even reacted to him being PRO HAMAS. look at all these idiots asking him questions like he's not TRUTH. do you people not know he is dumb like this.
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