truth was mainly who i was talking to

Stop with the stupid personal attacks and patronizing attitude if you're not going to criticize the lengthy post I made about this earlier.

I'm getting really tired of this whole LOOK HE MAY BE ALMOST 100 PERCENT CORRECT BUT... HE'S TRUTH shit.

actually the left despises racism and the reality of pain

also in case nobody knows truth's past he's a single issue voter. he wants hamas in power of the region because he hates gay people and women

lol

stupid personal attacks and patronizing attitude

you do this all the time

No seriously give me a legitimate criticism of Hamas that doesn't apply to 100 percent of all resistance movements. Hamas has been far more humane than the PLO ever was and spend 90 percent of their budget on humanitarian and social causes in Gaza. This single minded "well they kill people too so.... bad guys  ​" shit is kind of contrived and intellectually shallow. Hegel talked about how conflict is what drives progress and I think that still applies today. The Israeli government have no interest in giving back land to the original armistice borders, have no intention to stop being an occupying force (The Oslo accords are a great example of this) and the only way that their tyranny will be abolished is through conflict. Hamas represents the people of Gaza and are extremely popular for all they do. Hamas also refuses to kowtow to the Israelis and sell out their people like Abbas is doing in the West Bank. Being criticized for supporting them here is not surprising but a little dissapointing.

you do this all the time

And I get called out on it and even warned, it's extremely hypocritical for you to warn me for this and then treat me like i'm a moron in the same topic.

hey let me, a white irish catholic male, educate you on why i'm not a racist.

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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3042155&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=196#post354898194

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legitimate criticisms of hamas: they purposely target civilians, they've used human shields. they are a puppet of iran. they are political islam.

hey let me, a white irish catholic male, educate you on why i'm not a racist.

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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3042155&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=196#post354898194

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Hahaha, what is this? What are you even trying to say? You're not actually saying anything you're just using some dumb strawman.

legitimate criticisms of hamas: they purposely target civilians, they've used human shields. they are a puppet of iran. they are political islam.

This whole "deal.with.it" shit needs to stop. THEY REPRESENT ISLAMIC PEOPLE are you kidding me. This is a pretty bigoted thing to say if we're now going to be reading into every post and dissecting it to find any implied meaning.

wait i can't criticize a religion (or a religious political party) because they represent active practitioners of that religion???

legitimate criticisms of hamas: they actively suppress free media and journalists

islam is awful, all religions are awful, this alone is a reason not to support hamas.

there's a difference between acknowledging you have to make strange bedfellows sometimes and hooking up with a fat ugly chick with three dicks and calling her beautiful.

its ok republican party. you can ban abortion and discriminate against gays because you represent a lot of christians!!! its ok iran. you can actively discriminate against women and homosexuals because you represent an islamic country!!

ps: you've consistently said this is an issue of black and white and good and evil. it is not. Israel is in the wrong here blatantly. that much is clear and obvious to anyone who is not FlowerPower. what's astonishing is you don't realize in order for something to be black and white they must be at the least moral opposites. Hamas is not GOOD PEOPLE. they are still VERY BAD. you can understand them but they are still kind of dicks.

what is condemnable is Israel's actions. this does not mean you have to support Hamas. this is a two sided issue but the two sides are "you agree with Israel's actions" and "you don't agree", not HAMAS OR IDF.

ps: you've consistently said this is an issue of black and white and good and evil. it is not. Israel is in the wrong here blatantly. that much is clear and obvious to anyone who is not FlowerPower. what's astonishing is you don't realize in order for something to be black and white they must be at the least moral opposites. Hamas is not GOOD PEOPLE. they are still VERY BAD. you can understand them but they are still kind of dicks.

what is condemnable is Israel's actions. this does not mean you have to support Hamas. this is a two sided issue but the two sides are "you agree with Israel's actions" and "you don't agree", not HAMAS OR IDF.

I've never used the words good and evil but you like to put words in my mouth, Good and Evil are absolutes and I don't believe in any kind of Absolute. What is black and white about this issue is who is it fault for this conflict even happening and that is Israel. You cannot expect Hamas not to fight back against the blockade and the kidnap and killing of its members, you cannot expect them not to fight back against the bulldozing of their homes and the human rights abuses perpetrated against them. Am I cheerleading israeli citizens dying? No. I think Marmot was pretty correct in saying that there is a greater class divide in Israel as the people in Sderot are primarily poor working class Israelis. However having said that I don't completely dismiss the rocket attacks either as they have been essentially an annoyance to the Israeli people and have barely killed anyone. I do not know what I would do in the situation of being a Gazan. I'm pretty sure I'd be completely fine with the rocket attacks however if I was starving though.

Also yeah I hate all religions in the world too who would have thought! Do I hate the Republican party because of the fact that they are religious? No, I hate them because of their shitty policies (some of which come from their religious beliefs). Do I dislike the anti-feminist stances of Hamas? Of course. I wouldn't expect anything less than full support from Gazans and completely understand as the PLO and Fatah, the two largest secular groups that have ever represented Gaza have effectively sold them out. Fatah is/was corrupt as fuck and Hamas spends 90 percent of its budget on humanitarian/social causes (I'm going to keep repeating this til people recognize it). So yes I support Hamas, Hamas uses unsavory tactics sometimes but they are the only group who truly has the people of Gaza's best interests in mind in the territories.

Also I don't understand your contention that for a subject to be black and white they have to be moral opposites. Where does this idea even come from?

For me this topic is good for two things: Learning more about the conflict and secondly finding out which members are conservative racists.

Holy shit the irony here is off the charts.

ps: you've consistently said this is an issue of black and white and good and evil. it is not. Israel is in the wrong here blatantly. that much is clear and obvious to anyone who is not FlowerPower. what's astonishing is you don't realize in order for something to be black and white they must be at the least moral opposites. Hamas is not GOOD PEOPLE. they are still VERY BAD. you can understand them but they are still kind of dicks.

what is condemnable is Israel's actions. this does not mean you have to support Hamas. this is a two sided issue but the two sides are "you agree with Israel's actions" and "you don't agree", not HAMAS OR IDF.

yeah this pretty much exactly!! jesus it is amazing how many people on gw (who i think are probably generally MORE INFORMED [disregarding ][/disregarding] than the usual public) do not seem to GET THIS, but hey whatever. it makes me realize how many average people just DON'T GET what is happening over there (all republicans most democrats) and why it is so horrible.

i don't think you can actually be a politician in this country of any kind and not have to publicly support israel a lot. like the state senate just passed a bill here in florida called 'solidarity with israel' condemning hamas and pretty much saying they have the right to do whatever they want to get the job done. unanimous vote. i bet if someone had voted against it, they would have been subject to attacks in the next state elections about how they didn't support israel regardless of the fact that it has nothing at all to do whatsoever with state politics.

i seriously do believe it's because most people subconsciously think 'well its our white people vs their radical brown people so it's okay', and then the media doesn't report widespread-report stuff like those photos that really show how incredibly awful the current state of affairs is i think.

http://img.waffleimages.com/a8ef53585c5b2b7767f395b22b0873c19e43790b/CORRECTION_APTOPIX__308892i.jpg

this is an amazing photo

also maaajor lol@truth, middle class white american in college, expressing revolutionary solidarity with FARC, hamas, and ira, groups with no major ideological connection whose only real connection is that they are terrorist groups who sometimes collaborate to supply each other with arms which they can use to launch attacks with. you do realize you can be anti-oppression without expressing brotherhood with the terrorists, right? but no, you don't, you said it was counterrevolutionary and harmful to the development of an equalized world. you are a real joke buddy.

heh you got me there haha

HAHA HE ARGUED FOR EUGENICS?

For me this topic is good for two things: Learning more about the conflict and secondly finding out which members are conservative racists.

my 'argument for eugenics' was that I believe some day in the very distant future when humans are looking at the very real possibility of colonizing other planets and reaching a new epoch of human history that it will be likely that eugenics will be necessary to pull this off

not 'we should kill all the weaklings and retards and sterilize unfit people tomorrow'. sorry for the misunderstanding everybody. its one of those things that you think up when you're really baked, like the possibility of a space elevator to take us to the moon (it obviously isnt going to happen any time soon!)

and honestly if I get pegged as a conservative racist based upon the topic then the jokes on you heh. granted I have quite a history of saying ridiculous things, but these are not things that come up in normal civilized conversation. you have to get me really really fucking angry before I get to the point where I lose all rational sense and say something like 'all jews have a persecution complex'. I mean really.

you are a real joke buddy.

I wish you'd realize this one day so you could get busy not being one.

yeah if this topic doesn't... shape up lets say by tonight i'm gonna lock it. it really is entertaining, though!