The last topic was closed for...........................................................................no reason............. at all.....................

So here we go!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/world/middleeast/07mideast.html?hp

Deathtoll up to close to 600 which is... a small estimate. Wounded over 2000. Sewage system close to failure which would drown 10,000 people according to the world bank.


Edit: source on sewage system: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090107/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictgazahumanitariansewage_newsmlmmd

Disclaimer: if anyone says ridiculous shit without any evidence or sources to back it up and/or it looks like you are saying shit just to RILE THINGS UP, you will be warned.

This is a pretty important current event and fuck you all if we can't keep one of these open for more than a week.

The only people who are spouting unsourced nonsense are the ones blindly defending Israel, Grunthor for some reason felt it was necessary to lock a topic about an important current event because it was getting contentious.

I'm not going to lie ASE, if people post the same unsourced already debunked bullshit (BUT BUT BUT THEY ARE USING PEOPLE AS HUMAN SHIELDS), I'm going to respond and let them know they are a moron.

Unsourced posts? welcome to the own zone israeli supporters.........

Does anyone else find it a little convenient that this whole thing got started and continues without any sort of real intervention during a major transitional phase for the government of the United States?  It's as if months of diplomacy was thrown out the window in an attempt by Israel to flaunt its might one last time before we get a new team in office that may have less of a tolerance for this kind of shit.

People in the United States also have to consider how this looks to other Arab countries in the world and whether or not it will effect our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Unnecessary displays of power with acute disregard for human life in any sense of the word are exactly what gives these people a reason to fight us.  

There are also reports now of rocket fire from Lebanon....Man, I really hope this doesn't turn into an even bigger debacle while the UN people sit on their hands and wait for consensus.  HEY LETS WATCH ISRAEL GO RETARD STRONG AND DISSOLVE TWO BORDER COUNTRIES WITH LAZERS AND VOTE ON IT AFTER THE FACT.

Wait. They are attacking the UN now?

man, fuck israel.

A UN truck was hit by an Israeli tank and the driver was killed just minutes before a coordinated three-hour ceasefire so UN people could get aid to civilians and, you know, get the children who were staying by the side of their dead mothers to safety. 

It's as if months of diplomacy was thrown out the window in an attempt by Israel to flaunt its might one last time before we get a new team in office that may have less of a tolerance for this kind of shit.

this is pretty much what most of the people at my college think about it.

Does anyone else find it a little convenient that this whole thing got started and continues without any sort of real intervention during a major transitional phase for the government of the United States?  It's as if months of diplomacy was thrown out the window in an attempt by Israel to flaunt its might one last time before we get a new team in office that may have less of a tolerance for this kind of shit.

People in the United States also have to consider how this looks to other Arab countries in the world and whether or not it will effect our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Unnecessary displays of power with acute disregard for human life in any sense of the word are exactly what gives these people a reason to fight us.  

There are also reports now of rocket fire from Lebanon....Man, I really hope this doesn't turn into an even bigger debacle while the UN people sit on their hands and wait for consensus.  HEY LETS WATCH ISRAEL GO RETARD STRONG AND DISSOLVE TWO BORDER COUNTRIES WITH LAZERS AND VOTE ON IT AFTER THE FACT.

A UN truck was hit by an Israeli tank and the driver was killed just minutes before a coordinated three-hour ceasefire so UN people could get aid to civilians and, you know, get the children who were staying by the side of their dead mothers to safety. 

The us has veto power as a member of the permanent security council, there's nothing the un can actually do in terms of resolutions.

Yeah, and that's fucked up.

this is such an obvious election-time stunt by israel.

Al jazeera says 50 more bodies found, death toll up to at least 760

What I don't  get is how you all seem to think Israel is the ONLY one doing bad stuff here. I can't fathom how you people cannot see that BOTH sides are just as fucked up as the other.

What I don't  get is how you all seem to think Israel is the ONLY one doing bad stuff here. I can't fathom how you people cannot see that BOTH sides are just as fucked up as the other.

Post more unsourced garbage. I've already debunked every argument you've made and shown that this is a very black and white issue with an imperialistic people opressing a poor starving people and committing genocide.

Dont care if I get warned for this: Fuck arabs. The end.

ban this guy for racism

How about we ban you both for a day so you can "chillax"

Couldn't we have a sensible discussion for once without the F word and banhammer threats?

I'm not racist... I'm frustrated that I lack the proper literature skills to argue the point that I know I could prove. You have not debunked my arguments. State in fact that I have made NO arguments to you. I'm bowing out of this one for the simple fact of I KNOW my temper and current attitude toward terrorist orginizations (such as hezbollah) seeing as they have tried to blow me personally to pieces a few times over the last year will get me banned. Believe what you want to. This argument is NOT worth getting me banned over.

How about we ban you both for a day so you can "chillax"

How about you contribute to the topic at hand and actually read people's posts before you make such wild "the answer must be in the middle" threats.

Because yes everything I've said in this thread is as bad as the racism he's uttering! Great thanks Strangeluv gotta love your new "don't be uppity" rule.

I'm not racist... I'm frustrated that I lack the proper literature skills to argue the point that I know I could prove. You have not debunked my arguments. State in fact that I have made NO arguments to you. I'm bowing out of this one for the simple fact of I KNOW my temper and current attitude toward terrorist orginizations (such as hezbollah) seeing as they have tried to blow me personally to pieces a few times over the last year will get me banned. Believe what you want to. This argument is NOT worth getting me banned over.

laughing so hard here

Yeah, I think it might help matters if you could stop replying to every dumb post as if someone just deep-fried a live baby in your kitchen, Truth.

What I don't  get is how you all seem to think Israel is the ONLY one doing bad stuff here. I can't fathom how you people cannot see that BOTH sides are just as fucked up as the other.

It's a fucked up issue when you bring religion into the argument, however from a more pragmatic standpoint this little skirmish (if it can even be qualified as that and not a breath short of genocide) comes down to who has the POWER to be more fucked up.  It's pretty obvious that Israel's reprisal for a few rocket attacks has far surpassed their original reason to fight in only a few short days.  

In short, Israel receives funding from the United States like clockwork and this enables them to retain their status as a powerhouse in the Middle East.  When a nation destroys over 600 people and leaves many others without homes because of a stray rocket attack that might have killed a few people the argument very quickly turns from "OK THEY STARTED IT" to "ALRIGHT STOP DROPPING BOMBS ON SCHOOLS FUCKHEADS."

If they really wanted to find the people responsible for the rocket attacks Israel could send its ground forces in and search them out door to door.  There would probably still be civilian casualties every now and again but at least they wouldn't be carpet bombing residential neighborhoods!

Fuck arabs*



*not racist