Topic: Israel attacks UN Aid convoy with a tank, bombs UN aid shelter Gaza deathtoll up to close to 600 (Read 18032 times)

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good lord you are terrible.
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Yes, because however heartless it might sound, I don't actually care when civilians are killed in warfare. I don't care when children are killed in warfare. That is what happens in war, and to pretend otherwise is plain naive and childish.
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It's okay to try and be idealistic and say that civilians shouldn't die in warfare but that's just not how it works. Have the Americans and Brits posting in this thread already forgotten the civilian toll of our invasion into Iraq? Sure, people say they don't support the Iraq war, but there certainly isn't the same shitstorm about it as there is about this dispute. So, sorry if I don't care about civilians dying in warfare, because that's just how warfare is.

What's shocking is the speed of the killing and, you know, bombing UN camps and school on purpose.


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Another reason I support Israel's actions is because of opinion I have concerning the history of modern warfare in general. For instance, the nuclear missiles dropped on Japan killed only civilians but I still think they were the correct choice to bring to a close a long, drawn out conflict. I also think that the obliteration of Dresden was completely called for to gain revenge for the the blitz. In a wholly military sense, I actually think Germany's blitz strategy was a good one, despite the many English civilians it killed. Seriously, if you are at war then there are no civilians; the idea is to make the other side submit to whatever it is you want, and you don't achieve that by nancying around and playing nice. Thinking otherwise, too, is naive.

This was totally different. Both sides were about equally armed and thus the war could have dragged on for years. The nuclear bombs were pretty horrible and as twisted as it may seem, Hiroshima was a test to see the damage of a nuclear bomb on a urban area not yet touched by bombs. This is not the case here. The Hamas is fighting with sugar rockets and AKs. Israel is mopping the floor whit them.

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The last real reason I support Israel is this: if any country fired a missile at England I would want the RAF to carpet-bomb the shit out of whatever area the missile came from. Pure and simple, really. I support the right for a country to do everything it needs to do to irradicate any attacks (of any nature) being carried out on it. And if this means wiping Gaza off the map then Hamas will only have themselves to blame for making the stupid move of engaging a far larger nation.

Don't kick a sleeping bear. But the thing is, Israel is not a bear, it's a country. They should control themselves or something.

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To be honest, at the end of it all, I know that Hamas certainly isn't trying to distingiush between civilians and IDF forces, so I don't see why Israel should be expected to distinguish between Hamas Militants and Gaza civilians. Is there one set of rules for Hamas and one set of rules for the IDF? I don't support the use of illegal weapons like P-Shells, and if those accusations are proven then I would condemn that, but I do support Israel's right to bomb the hell out of a country that continues to fire missiles at it. And like I said, I don't care if the firepower is a mismatch, I am much more interested in the intent.

Maybe Israel could not bomb everything they see to be "the better man" but no, right now they are the one being the monsters.
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Yes, because however heartless it might sound, I don't actually care when civilians are killed in warfare. I don't care when children are killed in warfare. That is what happens in war, and to pretend otherwise is plain naive and childish. It's okay to try and be idealistic and say that civilians shouldn't die in warfare but that's just not how it works. Have the Americans and Brits posting in this thread already forgotten the civilian toll of our invasion into Iraq? Sure, people say they don't support the Iraq war, but there certainly isn't the same shitstorm about it as there is about this dispute. So, sorry if I don't care about civilians dying in warfare, because that's just how warfare is.

I know these facts probably more than anyone else because I've stood at the edge of a flight deck while missile loaded jets soared off to bomb a guy with an AK running across a field (and believe me we all laughed at the footage afterward).

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Another reason I support Israel's actions is because of opinion I have concerning the history of modern warfare in general. For instance, the nuclear missiles dropped on Japan killed only civilians but I still think they were the correct choice to bring to a close a long, drawn out conflict. I also think that the obliteration of Dresden was completely called for to gain revenge for the the blitz. In a wholly military sense, I actually think Germany's blitz strategy was a good one, despite the many English civilians it killed. Seriously, if you are at war then there are no civilians; the idea is to make the other side submit to whatever it is you want, and you don't achieve that by nancying around and playing nice. Thinking otherwise, too, is naive.

There's a clear difference between WWII and now. 

We have laws that prevent countries from essentially bullying other countries.  Sometimes we skate around the laws like Operation Iraqi Freedom but those laws are still in place and we have to follow them.  Everyone on GW voiced their opinion about America attacking Afghanistan in 2003 and 90% of the people I know Navy, Army, Marines, and Airforce hate the occupation in Iraq by US troops but when America carpet bombed whoever they tried their hardest to attack only military targets and if civilian casualties were ever going to be a problem we sent in ground troops to clear the area of civilians.  There were complications because Al-Qaeda would take civilians and strap bombs to them but hamas isn't doing this.

Point is, in this "conflict" there is a clear distinction between GUY WITH AK and GUY WITH BABY IN ARMS.  Israel is ignoring the Geneva Convention which they signed.  They cannot attack non-military installations unless they are certain without a doubt that these installations are housing military troops.  Israel isn't even using infantry, they're just sweeping bombs through the entire country.  This is a massacre on a scale that's never happened before in my life (or probably any of our lives) and I can't think of a single armed conflict that has been completely one sided as this.

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The last real reason I support Israel is this: if any country fired a missile at England I would want the RAF to carpet-bomb the shit out of whatever area the missile came from. Pure and simple, really. I support the right for a country to do everything it needs to do to irradicate any attacks (of any nature) being carried out on it. And if this means wiping Gaza off the map then Hamas will only have themselves to blame for making the stupid move of engaging a far larger nation.

Eradicate the offending enemy's military?  Yeah, sure.  That's war for you.

Murdering the people who were unlucky enough to be born there and too poor to leave?  Yeah, no.

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Is there one set of rules for Hamas and one set of rules for the IDF?

Yes, actually, there is.  Israel signed the damn treatise.  Gaza didn't.
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hey fallen-griever

go back to the beginnings of this topic and look at the images in my posts. I dont think you quite understand what civilian death means
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pictures of dead babies aren't gonna make him flich, he's a realist.
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I don't care when children are killed in warfare.
the nuclear missiles dropped on Japan killed only civilians but I still think they were the correct choice
the obliteration of Dresden was completely called for
I don't see why Israel should be expected to distinguish between Hamas Militants and Gaza civilians.
I do support Israel's right to bomb the hell out of a country
pictures of dead babies aren't going to make me flinch.

You're the most horrible human being I've ever seen on this forum.  In fact, I'm not even sure if you're a human being at all.
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let me double down on that. the guy is 22, also.
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You're the most horrible human being I've ever seen on this forum.  In fact, I'm not even sure if you're a human being at all.
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By the way, warfare isn't about killing as many innocent human beings as you can.  How anyone can think this is beyond me.  The Manhattan project resulted in the most horrible weapon ever made, its use being tantamount to partial genocide.  There's a reason why we have a Geneva convention that outlaws the use of those weapons: because we needed to curb at least these aspects of the arms race whose sole purpose was to destroy the lives of bystanders.

In the second place, a war is to be fought between soldiers, and in the first place it is not to be fought at all.  Civilians should never have anything to do with it.
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tempbanned him for one day, what a horrible person.
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I don't think tempbanning someone from gaming world really makes much difference in one so...far gone as him

anyway, I have been reading news about this every morning on my HTC Touch(tm) and for me everyday when new articles were up it was like "wow israel are bad" to "wow israel are terrible!!" and lately its just been "what the fuck israel!!!"
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fallen griever: HERBERT SPENCER RULES!!

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Ryan if your professor is a marxist then sociology class is gonna be a breeze if you know how to play it. Just remember: conflict theory is almost always the correct approach and make as few concessions as possible to imply radical solutions to problems without writing a revolutionary call to arms every paper.
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hahaha

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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You know those shows like BRAT CAMP where they send some awful shitty kids off to the desert or whatever to have some sense kicked into them, well, maybe we need a version of that for people like Fallen Griever who hold disgusting opinions! Freedom of speech is great and all but to think like that you have to be either ignorant or just plain terrible (perhaps a bit of both).

Yeah civilian casualties are difficult to avoid in war but heh guess what you should at least TRY to avoid it and Israel...just aren't. Hey guys lets go blow up some humanitarian aid then we can take the choppers out and get some indiscriminate strafing in before lunch, and in the afternoon, we can blow off some steam using some white phosporous and depleted uranium on those damn sand niggers... look at them all they have is AK47's LOL and the rest aren't even armed DOUBLE LOL.


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Man, Fallen is like those spineless rat figure villians that you wish would die in the movies. Yeah, the guys that when slain have you clutching your fist saying ''Yeah take that mother f**ker''.

In all seriousness I really wouldn't feel sorry for you even if you were tossed there under the gun fire. You are pretty sick and this is not even an isolate issue which you proven yourself. You don't even discriminate between any conflict at all. It's like you side with any form of genocide just because that turns you on.

Dada says you are a terrible person. I would actually just call you f*cked because it's much more suitable. I don't know if you have problems in real life or what ever but I find it hard to feel sympathetic for someone like you.

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Steel Pidgey, did he really say all those things? Yo around blacks don't relax loooool.
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